forlorn question re folding hands - O8

[bodie]

I have to ask if anyone here would not fold the following hand: Q, 3, 7, 8 r - in early position at a table of raising maniacs?

I am merely asking to try and figure out why every hand I folded would have been the nuts (or so it seemed), whereas every hand I tried to make either was split or didn't fit the flop. I did fold that hand and the flop turned out to be:

Q, Q, 8

Why? Why? Why? .....it wasn't that good of a day for me.
I know, I'm whining.

Thanks,
Bodie

[Nick709]

I know how you feel right about now, hang in there stick to the game plan, let the maniacs be maniacs. You be you and play tight, aggresive, good thinking poker.

[Buzz]

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I have to ask if anyone here would not fold the following hand: Q, 3, 7, 8 r - in early position at a table of raising maniacs?

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Bodie - I think any hand without a pair will end up making a full house or quads about five per cent of the time, or about one time out of twenty.

I think any hand without a pair will flop a full house or quads less than one per cent of the time (148/17296).

When this particular starting hand makes a full house, unless it’s queens full (as happened here), an opponent is very likely to have a better one, and in any event, you’ll most likely be playing for only half the pot.

You’ll flop queens full or quads with this hand 31/17296, or about one time out of every 558 or so. Any other flop (but queens full or quads) doesn’t look nearly as good.

Bottom line: 278Qn is certainly not a very good starting hand. You have worse odds playing this hand than playing the slots. But every once in a while.......

Buzz

[bodie]

Thank you Nick for your support, and Buzz as usual for your thoughtful reply.
Those figures help - I never would stay with that hand unless I was the BB unraised, however it's hard to understand why sometimes an entire session can consist of hands very similar to that one: where the ridiculous happens until you want to rip your hair out. Patience, patience.
Reading those odds that you so kindly put up is reassuring - you have nothing to regret if you've made the best choices.

Bodie

[jayheaps]

obvious fold. with raising maniacs you need to play tight especially out of position.

[bodie]

Hi Japheaps,
Yes I agree it is an obvious fold - that's my point actually. You can be controlled and patient and do the right thing and still a day will come along like that one where the flops constantly matched obvious folds.
It was like torture.

Bodie