Curtains made me do it! #2

[jeffraider]

I think I'd push here. A lot of the time SB will fold hoping you pwn BB, and BB will fold nearly everything for us. Our hand is pretty dope too!

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I think I'd push here. A lot of the time SB will fold hoping you pwn BB, and BB will fold nearly everything for us. Our hand is pretty dope too!

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[zipppy]

Raise exactly the small stack's stack size, that way it looks like you want to be called. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[bennies]

What is more important than reads here is Hero's image. Because mine is usually ruined at this point I think it's a closish fold. If not, then about a 0.6+ push I'd say.

Raising less than allin? Eastbay, when is that update ready?

[Scuba Chuck]

Your relative position on this hand sucks. Furthermore SB is playing his cards, not hoping for a miracle.

[jeffraider]

Actually I think pushing is worse than I originally eyeballed it. If there were 2000 less chips in play I think this push is mucho better, and I'm very curious to see what curtains did now.

[HesseJam]

My standard play at the 15+1 is to push and I am called with amzing hands like T7o. Probably I shouldn't do this in the low buy ins. In the medium buy ins I would push this every day. The calling range at the high buy ins could be like 30% ? Still a push, isn't it?

[curtains]

I really think pushing is totally unneccessary against most opponents.

[AbelM]

No one considering a standard raise to 1100 or so? Of course if wadnbuttAA has any idea at all he'll reraise, but very few players actually do though.

[curtains]

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No one considering a standard raise to 1100 or so? Of course if wadnbuttAA has any idea at all he'll reraise, but very few players actually do though.

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I have to admit I have always had serious problems with this line of thinking. You feel free to randomly raise anyone who doesnt move allin when there are 3 left, but they will call you with plenty. I've learned to be more aggressive when my opponents havent acted at all, as opposed to assuming they will fold a decent/medium strength hand with 3 left, just because someone else is short.

Comments like "if he has any clue he will move allin with any 2 cards" are kind of silly to me. I would never blame someone for folding quite a decent % of hands from the BB to a standard raise. I guess I don't like the misguided implication that somehow all "good" players know that they should automatically be a bully in such situations. How many times do you need to be called by KTo before you get this idea?