Tough tough spot

[Toro]

Pokerstars $22 180 player NLHE sng, 30 players left, paying top 18 with $1080 for first. What do you all do here?

PokerStars Game #3052406910: Tournament #15078720, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/11/13 - 21:04:25 (ET)
Table '15078720 16' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Pocono_Pimp (16960 in chips)
Seat 2: BIGGULP (5885 in chips)
Seat 3: pjcurrie (8876 in chips)
Seat 4: Jrc4volz (6855 in chips)
Seat 5: Leomun07 (13454 in chips)
Seat 6: NotBluffing3 (6958 in chips)
Seat 7: Toro85 (10075 in chips)
Pocono_Pimp: posts the ante 25
BIGGULP: posts the ante 25
pjcurrie: posts the ante 25
Jrc4volz: posts the ante 25
Leomun07: posts the ante 25
NotBluffing3: posts the ante 25
Toro85: posts the ante 25
Pocono_Pimp: posts small blind 200
BIGGULP: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Toro85 [Kd Ks]
pjcurrie: raises 800 to 1200
Jrc4volz: folds
dsschrupp [observer] said, "gh"
Leomun07: folds
NotBluffing3: folds
Toro85: raises 2800 to 4000
Pocono_Pimp: folds
BIGGULP: folds
pjcurrie: calls 2800
*** FLOP *** [4h Ah 5s]
pjcurrie: bets 4851 and is all-in

Got to fold, right?

[mlagoo]

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Got to fold, right?

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yeah.

but instead of putting 40% of your chips in with a PF raise, just push preflop after he opens.

[Toro]

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Got to fold, right?

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yeah.

but instead of putting 40% of your chips in with a PF raise, just push preflop after he opens.

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Don't you think there might be a chance he doesn't have an Ace? I mean if he's got AK, why not check and trap?

he may be stop and going a medium pair... your not up against an ace as much as you think, I think he is calling your raise and pushing ANY flop.

[mlagoo]

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Got to fold, right?

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yeah.

but instead of putting 40% of your chips in with a PF raise, just push preflop after he opens.

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Don't you think there might be a chance he doesn't have an Ace? I mean if he's got AK, why not check and trap?

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theres obviously a chance of anything, theres a chance he has 72o.

the question is whether he has an ace here less than 55-65% of the time (roughly, if my math isnt too terrible), and I don't think that's the case.

[grandgnu]

That is tough, but he's raising from EP and calling your re-raise out of position.

I probably would have re-raised him from 1200 to 3,000 or so, not 4K. But I can't see calling his push here, you're either way ahead, way behind. With no other reads, I'm dropping here and trying to double up my remaining stack and get back in it.

[Toro]

Well I made the donkey call and won but the reason I posted is that I think Villian made a superb poker play. He really put me to the test on this hand and I nearly folded.

P.S. I'm not talking about his preflop play here, lol.


Toro85: calls 4851
*** TURN *** [4h Ah 5s] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [4h Ah 5s 6h] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pjcurrie: shows [3c 3s] (two pair, Fives and Threes)
Toro85: shows [Kd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
Toro85 collected 18477 from pot
Pocono_Pimp said, "vnh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18477 | Rake 0
Board [4h Ah 5s 6h 5h]
Seat 1: Pocono_Pimp (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: BIGGULP (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: pjcurrie showed [3c 3s] and lost with two pair, Fives and Threes
Seat 4: Jrc4volz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Leomun07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: NotBluffing3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Toro85 (button) showed [Kd Ks] and won (18477) with two pair, Kings and Fives

[grandgnu]

Damn, that's awesome Toro. Pocket 3's, yoikes. That's a ballsy move, raising from EP with such a vulnerable holding, then calling a re-raise out of position and pushing on a flop with one of the cards he should be worried about.

Yeah, he definetely donked it up, but it almost worked. Nice call. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]