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#1
12-21-2005, 05:51 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
So what are you planning to do when one of them bets out on the turn? Do you just assume he missed his check raise with an A and fold? By checking behind you are inducing a bet from a hand like KT or 88. You'll be folding the best hand too often then. Or do you call down? If he does have the A and missed his check raise you are now donating money to him. By betting this flop, you'll have more info to play the hand out.
Now for the river, he's shown no strength. He has yet to make a bet. He just called PF and on the turn. Since you checked behind on the flop, he's probably thinking you don't have the A therefore his T or PP is good. Especially with 2 A's out there. If he did have an A he probably would have bet the turn. Get the value bet in on the river. 
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#2
12-21-2005, 04:36 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
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Check behind on the river, it's highly unlikely that you will get a worse hand to call [/ QUOTE ] What does JT-KT do? How likely are these hands? [ QUOTE ] or a better hand to fold. [/ QUOTE ] Ok this is true
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#3
12-21-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
A ten might call the turn bet..u know " he is bluffing , he has positon, I aint folding my middle pair".
But I dont see anyone with half a brain calling with a ten after TWO bets, I mean he raised preflop, bet the turn, and bet the river. I dont know whats the skill on the 33s, but from what ive read here they are quite tougher than the 22s.
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#4
12-21-2005, 05:05 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
You shouldn't be trying to get a better hand to fold with a bet.
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#5
12-21-2005, 04:27 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
I think you're ahead here much more than behind (when called), so I'd value bet. If raised, I'd call. If someone outplayed me by trapping, then good for them, but most of the time I'd expect to see a smaller pair (or maybe a bluff with two diamonds). Someone who has you beat would have most likely been betting to protect against the flush draw.
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#6
12-21-2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
I would bet 60 preflop, but thats is so unimportant.
I check the flop, I would check the turn, and I would check the river. On youre line I dont see how betting the river is more +ev than checking
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#7
12-21-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
Well-played to the river. A thin value bet to the tune of 75 into 400 pot sounds appropriate.
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#9
12-21-2005, 05:01 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
Yes with a ten he will call even more than 150, but I also want a call from a donk who just wants to see what I have or has a small pocket pair. I am looking for quantity of 75s to supercede the return I will get from the 150 call from a ten. Make sense?
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#10
12-21-2005, 05:13 PM
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Re: $33 Party, QQ post flop.
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Yes with a ten he will call even more than 150, but I also want a call from a donk who just wants to see what I have or has a small pocket pair. I am looking for quantity of 75s to supercede the return I will get from the 150 call from a ten. Make sense? [/ QUOTE ] If he called 125 with 77 on the turn he will call 125 on the river nearly always.
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