KK overpair (25$ NL on Party).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP3 ($41.44)
Hero ($25)
Button ($33.85)
SB ($31.78)
BB ($23.45)
UTG ($35.30)
UTG+1 ($23.75)
UTG+2 ($48.90)
MP1 ($16.50)
MP2 ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($8.60) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $16</font>, MP3 folds, Hero ?

This is my first hand at the table !
Thank you for your help.

[Guin]

Pre flop I would have raised to $2.25 which isn't a lot different but may get rid of one of the callers.

I think you push here and hope they are on 10's to j's pp or the nut flush draw. AA unlikely as limp call (UTG is a bit scarier if they are slowplaying at an aggro table - but you don't have that info) suggests pp but not premium... worst case you are up against a set but with your stack size you are already pot committed in my mind.... could be against hands like A8s but at least you have one of the flush outs... and if it comes down with two spades you are also in alright shape with 2nd flush.

So push and pull down a K on turn and then pair the board on river.... collect big pot.

Guin

This is really hard to play against an unknown who has min-rasied you on a low co-ordinated board like that. He may have something like 10 - 10 or 99 not necessarily a set, i think the only way to check is to lose your stack. I know some 25NL donks may be pulling with move with overcards + flush draw or over pair, not just set/two pair. Thats why this decision is so hard without a read. I think im shoving my chips in though.

fold.

no reads
villain just hit a set on the flop most likely and KK is no good.

if you have an idea about what kind of player Villain is then you can start making educated guesses as to what he'll raise with on the flop.

as you're totally in the dark - you have to fold.

[IMHO - as I'm a noob - this might not be great advice]

[emil3000]

With almost half my stack in there I don't see myself getting away on this extremely drawy flop.

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as you're totally in the dark - you have to fold.


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I dont see how you can get away from this hand. At this level I've seen people making this play with A 8 trying to protect their top pair (with backdoor flush draw). I think it's a little too weak tight to fold here, but I could be wrong.

Get the rest in. You probably have the best hand and if you don't...well, your not deep enough to fold.

[4_2_it]

Push. This is NL $25 and without a read, villain's range is wide. The only hands you know he doesn't hold is AA and KK. The only hands you trail are 33 77 and 88. You are getting better than 2-1 so push. If he has a set, just suck out like a champion.

Ok thanks, I feel a bit better about my play now : I pushed and he had 77 for the set.

[beavens]

at 25NL i'd be pushing here every time unless i had a solid read on the villain.