1-2 tough river call or fold?

Ray_bob · #1 10-28-2005, 10:14 PM

reads: both villains are big fishes. and slight aggressive postflop

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: (5.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, UTG calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

ClaytonN · #2 10-28-2005, 10:35 PM

standard not-even-close fold, especially after the overcall. i would fold this even without the overcall, actually

Ray_bob · #3 10-28-2005, 10:37 PM

thanks just had to makle sure. they turned over a pair of 4s

Blunderfull1 · #4 10-28-2005, 10:50 PM

I wouldnt overcall in this case, but considering your reads. I would call if UTG didnt.

#5 10-28-2005, 11:50 PM

I feel great folding to two callers, but if it was one unknown, I'd make the call.

bottomset · #6 10-29-2005, 12:33 AM

I don't think MP3 checks behind the turn with a K or better, and prob not a Q either, so I'm thinking we are ahead of him most of the time, and ahead of a LP-UTG player who could easily have a small-midPPl, 4 or 2 a fair bit of the time, since he would likely lead a Q, or K here.

I think I call here

Mathieu · #7 10-29-2005, 01:00 AM

These are good points that are often overlooked in the heat of the action.

We usually need a good hand to overcall on the river, but this is less true when the caller's range is so wide as it is here. I think utg could be calling with something as weak as AT.

I agree that the betting sequence makes it unlikely for the bettor and the caller (to a certain extent) to have us beat.

The pot odds of about 7-1 seem to justify a call in this case.

ArturiusX · #8 10-29-2005, 01:05 AM

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standard not-even-close fold

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Its much much closer then you think. Player reads could turn this into a call.

But I fold.