Caesars Palace 1-2: Deep stacks, Maniacal Bettor, 66 on a K,4,3 flop

[Dynasty]

Since the Caesars Palace poker room opened up in Las Vegas a week ago, I've gone there a few times and tried out the 1-2 no-limit games. With a maximum buy-in of $500 (rather than the normal $200 max in Vegas), there is often quite a bit of money on the table.

In the early Wednesday morning hours, I was on a table that had about $2,700 to $3,300 on it, including several players with $400-$700.

There was one young, drinking, Dutch Boyd lookalike at my table. He played about 67% of his hands. In just about every hand he played, he raised to $20 pre-flop.

This guy was more than willing to back up his pre-flop raises with strong post-flop bets, raises, and re-raises. In one specific hand, he bet $20 into a ~$60 pot on the flop, an opponent check-raised him another $20. He re-raised $100 more. His opponent put him all-in. The guy folded, showing no hand and no draw (on a flop of A,Q,x).

So, he's hyper-aggressive, nearly impossible to intimidate, and enjoying himself while playing this way. But, he's not clueless. He's betting a lot. He'll make loose calls for sure. But, he's not calling huge bets with nothing.

I've been card dead and playing tight. So, I've been nearly invisible at the table.

The hand:

A couple of ultra-loose players limp for $2 to me in mid-late position. They both have about $250 in front of them. I pick up 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I limp as well knowing it will likely get bumped to $20. I have about $425 in front of me. Everyone else folds to the Maniacal Bettor in the big blind who makes his standard raise to $20. The Manical Bettor has about $550 in front of him. Both ultra-loose players call (calling $20 pre-flop raises was rather standard at this table). I called as well.

Four players saw the flop with $77 in the pot (after rake).

The flop is: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

The Manical Bettor is first to act and bets $20. This is a fairly standard play for him and has taken down quite a few pots. It's also allowed him to fold weak hands when somebody holding a real hand raises expecting to get action from him.

Both ultra-loose players fold and it's heads up between myself and the Maniacal Bettor.

I decided to call. Comments?

Two players saw the turn with $117 in the pot.

The turn is: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

My opponent bet $70.

Your play?

[jsnipes28]

If you think he is capable of folding TT on this board i like a minraise, particularly if you have been invisible all night. Not generally a proponent of this but i feel this might be the spot for it. Should fold him out unless he has a King.
If he is a station then i am pretty sure i just fold because it seems as if he will fire again on river if you call- your description of him certainly didn't make it seem like he would necessarily slow down on river w/o a K and allow for a cheap showdown.

[djoyce003]

I'd raise, fold to further agression.

[Dynasty]

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I'd raise, fold to further agression.

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I addressed this somewhat in my turn results post. But, a raise has to be at least to a total of $140 (and I was considering a raise to $200 total). If I use your line, that means I'd be putting $180 into the pot and then folding to a guy who has been picking up lots of pot with over-aggressive play. That's not the way I want to play any hand against this type of opponent.

[Isura]

I prefer a raise preflop. Since you know lag donk will bump it to $20 otherwise, just raise to $10-12 preflop. Has he been reraising people preflop with junk?

I like to raise the flop here. But call,call,call looks okay too.

[TheWorstPlayer]

call. call river.

[cbloom]

I think the people suggesting raising are way off base.

Assume he's betting $70 here, and if you call he'll bet $140 on the river with any two. If you call both you're risking $210 and he can have almost any two so you

What if you raise the turn? Assume you raise to $210, 140 more, he'll fold any hand you beat or reraise them allin on a bluff and you'll have to fold then.

Seems pretty clear you get the most value from call-call.

On the other hand, I don't really like 66 as the hand to call him down with, you'll surely get better spots.

[guns4show]

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On the other hand, I don't really like 66 as the hand to call him down with, you'll surely get better spots.

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Wrong forum. This is a cash game.

[Dynasty]

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On the other hand, I don't really like 66 as the hand to call him down with, you'll surely get better spots.

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Whether I fold, call, or raise in this hand, that better spot is going to come anyway. So, if a non-folding play is best here, it should be made. Then, you can take advantage of the better spot as well.

[Dynasty]

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I prefer a raise preflop. Since you know lag donk will bump it to $20 otherwise, just raise to $10-12 preflop. Has he been reraising people preflop with junk?


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I think this would have worked. He had reraised with junk but it was only once (maybe twice).