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Old 11-01-2005, 08:35 PM
redrooski24 redrooski24 is offline
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Default AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

No reads on villain, he really confused me by his PSB into me. I thought it may have been 88 or a big draw like JTs, but I just sort of froze up on this one and felt like I played it poorly. I'll post how I played it after a few responses, but what's the best line for hero here? Raise and fold to a push or call and fold the turn to more aggression?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($235.70)
UTG+1 ($93.85)
UTG+2 ($298.35)
MP1 ($224.34)
MP2 ($267.60)
Hero ($176)
CO ($308.38)
Button ($198.25)
SB ($206.05)
BB ($97.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
[color=#666666]3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $8</font>, [color=#666666]4 folds</font>, MP1 calls $6, MP2 calls $6.

Flop: ($27) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, [color=#CC3333]MP2 bets $26</font>, Hero....
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Old 11-01-2005, 11:22 PM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

I think you have to raise here and fold to a push. Without reads, villain has too many possible holdings that we need to charge. You can't fold, and if you just call, I think you will have no idea where you are on the turn. Building a pot on the flop with position is ok, right? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-02-2005, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

With a strong draw or any hand beating you he will just 3-bet all in. I call and pray for a blank turn card and for villain to check to me.

Raise more pre flop.

Edit: You are missing 7 bbs, rebuy.

Edit's Edit: Let's go with 12.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:41 AM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

What do you do when the turn is checked to you?
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:49 AM
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I agree with ghostface, and if the turn is checked to me I bet 60, folding to check-raise
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Old 11-02-2005, 04:15 AM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

I in fact did just call the flop, hoping to re-evaluate on the turn, folding to another bet on a blank. But, the turn brings another K. Push or fold this one? Also, wtf has been wrong with the converter lately or am I just retarded?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($235.70)
UTG+1 ($93.85)
UTG+2 ($298.35)
MP1 ($224.34)
MP2 ($267.60)
Hero ($176)
CO ($308.38)
Button ($198.25)
SB ($206.05)
BB ($97.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
[color=#666666]3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $8</font>, [color=#666666]4 folds</font>, MP1 calls $6, MP2 calls $6.

Flop: ($27) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, [color=#CC3333]MP2 bets $26</font>, Hero calls $26, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($79) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]MP2 bets $76</font>, Hero flips a coin to decide whether to push or fold?
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:48 AM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

I call and evaluate at the turn. Depending on READ (which of course we don't have cause this is SSNL) and action by villian, I may release TPTK there.
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

I don't know about pushing the turn.

I mean, the original plan was to bet the pot on a blank turn. The K is essentiially a blank. I mean, sure it improved Hero's hand. But it's usually not like Hero had the 2nd best hand on the flop and now has the best hand on the turn, just becasue he made trips. If he has the best hand on the turn, he probably had it on the flop, too. So why change the plan?
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

[ QUOTE ]
I mean, the original plan was to bet the pot on a blank turn. The K is essentiially a blank. I mean, sure it improved Hero's hand. But it's usually not like Hero had the 2nd best hand on the flop and now has the best hand on the turn, just becasue he made trips. If he has the best hand on the turn, he probably had it on the flop, too. So why change the plan?

[/ QUOTE ]

this is winning thinking. too many people say to themselves, "i now have trips! whee!" when nothing has really changed in the hand. the only hand that we're now ahead of that we were behind on the flop is Q8. how likely is that?
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:42 PM
redrooski24 redrooski24 is offline
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into

[ QUOTE ]
I don't know about pushing the turn.

I mean, the original plan was to bet the pot on a blank turn. The K is essentiially a blank. I mean, sure it improved Hero's hand. But it's usually not like Hero had the 2nd best hand on the flop and now has the best hand on the turn, just becasue he made trips. If he has the best hand on the turn, he probably had it on the flop, too. So why change the plan?

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This was my thinking going on in my head at the time and then I just had a brain fart and somehow came to the conclusion that he had KJ and I was ahead. I'm a donkey.
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