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Old 12-02-2005, 05:42 AM
pergesu pergesu is offline
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Default $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t1700)
Button (t1280)
SB (t430)
BB (t990)
UTG (t1410)
UTG+1 (t915)
Hero (t700)
MP2 (t575)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t100, couple folds, SB raises to t430 (all-in), UTG calls t330, Hero ??
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:48 AM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

After the UTG min raise, which at an $11 means any two pretty cards, I'd move all-in.

But as we're talking about this exact situation.. I move all-in anyway. SB probably has an ace, UTG has 1.4k, and is doubtless a donk (his min raise alone being reason to suspect that), so let's put him on either an ace, or KQ/KJ/KT, or something along those lines, or a mid pair.

Even if he should be lucky enough to have AK, the overlay makes this play worth it in my opinion.
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:56 AM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

I don't know what I was thinking. This is a freaking 11. Failing to push at the first opportunity is just terrible.
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:58 AM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

It's ok perg, you're doubtless just a bit rusty. I would also move in here with AK and maybe AQ by the way, TT I'd have to have a good old think.
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Old 12-02-2005, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

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TT I'd have to have a good old think.

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Really? I would fold TT every time. I think that there's a pretty significant difference between TT and JJ here. Since players at the $11s like to get all in with any two face cards, there are a lot more hands in that range that include two overs to TT as opposed to JJ. That is, I think JJ plays quite a bit better against the "bad $11s player all-in range" than TT.
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Old 12-02-2005, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

I meant about the original call to the minraise.. not about pushing. I doubt I'd push TT there, unless he was a complete nutter.
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

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I don't know what I was thinking. This is a freaking 11. Failing to push at the first opportunity is just terrible.

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Old 12-02-2005, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

Sigh. I think one of the two players has QQ-AA rougly 50% of the time...just hoping its not with UTG.

I might push, I might call, I might fold. Cant say id play it one way all the time..
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

50% of the time??? At a $11??

LOL you are kidding. Surely, you must be kidding.
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Old 12-02-2005, 12:00 PM
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Default Re: $11 - JJ, trying not to be such a LAG

Im no expert! Just my thought. The simple call of the all in by UTG suggests strength, doesnt it? Seems he wants the call from us.

I suppose he could have anything, thats why it would be so read dependant for me. I just moved up to $11 SNG's from $6(yes I know $6's are a waste but I am ITM over 50% of the time).

If the UTG guy doesnt have AQ or better, Im a little surprised. Hoping for a pair of 7's through 10's, but wouldnt be surprised to see a much better hand.

If the $11's are as bad as the $6's, which is what Im reading, Im gonna be in good shape at the $11's.

All my decisions early in a tourney are based off of my belief that Im gonna finish in the $ WAY over 50% of the time, if I wait for HUGE edges to push.

Still might go all in when it gets to me though! Just not always...
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