I love variance.

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Full ring game. Blinds are loose. The whole damn table is fishy. 5 players limp to me. I'm on the button holding

A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I raise.

Anybody else do the same thing?

[benkath1]

yes, but I'm starting to doubt the value of it.

We're contributing 12.5% of the pot and are only 6% to hit the flush by the river. I don't think we can value raise here because on flush value alone. I wait for the flop, if I'm 4 flushed I jam the pot for value. I'll also stick around for the turn with a pair and backdoor.

[milesdyson]

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We're contributing 12.5% of the pot and are only 6% to hit the flush by the river. I don't think we can value raise here because on flush value alone. I wait for the flop, if I'm 4 flushed I jam the pot for value. I'll also stick around for the turn with a pair and backdoor.

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what about 245 flops, 33x flops, A3x flops, AAA/333 flops, and simply Axx flops?

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We're contributing 12.5% of the pot and are only 6% to hit the flush by the river. I don't think we can value raise here because on flush value alone. I wait for the flop, if I'm 4 flushed I jam the pot for value. I'll also stick around for the turn with a pair and backdoor.

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How about this? A fair share of a seven way pot is around about 14.3%. Axs will win more than this. Izmet Fekali ran this hand in this situation 100,000 times using turbo sims. Axs won 20.4% of the pots. So not raising in this situation costs you money.
The other nice thing about this play is that players who know a little bit but not a lot will instantly classify you as a maniac. Hello action.

I was using 8 players since you said both blinds were loose. 5 limpers + 2 blinds + you = 8 players.

Responding to the other post, the wheel is less than 1% as are the 33x etc flops. All together they might make up a few points.

You're building the pot which might encourage others to stick around while you make your hand. You'll certainly be able to raise for value if you pick up a 4 flush on the flop. With this many people and the pot that big, you might be able to raise for value on the turn even if you miss.

I think this is one of those situations that Ed would say doesn't really matter that much in the long run.

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We're contributing 12.5% of the pot and are only 6% to hit the flush by the river. I don't think we can value raise here because on flush value alone. I wait for the flop, if I'm 4 flushed I jam the pot for value. I'll also stick around for the turn with a pair and backdoor.

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How about this? A fair share of a seven way pot is around about 14.3%. Axs will win more than this. Izmet Fekali ran this hand in this situation 100,000 times using turbo sims. Axs won 20.4% of the pots. So not raising in this situation costs you money.
The other nice thing about this play is that players who know a little bit but not a lot will instantly classify you as a maniac. Hello action.

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I get more action then I want in the games that I play in.

I also think that raising in this spot promotes tilt. My own tilt not the tables. You're getting good odds to just limp along, might as well take them IMO.

[Jaran]

Depends...Have I been raising pretty tight before this and showing down the goods? If so, then yeah. If I've been getting out of line a bit, and have been caught at it, then prolly not (but if I've been getting out of line, then I might just raise without thinking)

-Jaran

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Depends...Have I been raising pretty tight before this and showing down the goods? If so, then yeah. If I've been getting out of line a bit, and have been caught at it, then prolly not (but if I've been getting out of line, then I might just raise without thinking)

-Jaran

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Then you're basing your decision on perceived table image rather than possible +EV play? My question is, is this play profitable in the long term against this type of table?

[Jaran]

I think it's just slightly +EV, and thus if my image is such that I can't steal the occasional pot when I miss, then I'm less apt to make the play.

-Jaran