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View Poll Results: Crushing 15/30
0-2 BB/100 (winning at all = crushing) 7 12.50%
2-2.5 BB/100 12 21.43%
2.5-3 BB/100 15 26.79%
3-3.5 BB/100 16 28.57%
3.5-4 BB/100 0 0%
4-4.5 BB/100 2 3.57%
4.5+ BB/100 4 7.14%
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Old 01-06-2005, 12:44 AM
TrailofTears TrailofTears is offline
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

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There are times to go broke with TPTK, especially for only 50BB. But those times are on entirely uncoordinated boards. Maybe like K82r or Q95 or something; in those cases your opponenet either has the set and you're dead or he doesnt, and its combinatorily much much likely that he doesnt. But the board here is too coordinated to go broke.

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I really like this explanation. Well said.

- ToT
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Old 01-06-2005, 02:01 AM
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

Thank you...believe me, it comes from the experience of one who's taken his beatings with AK vs bottom two, etc.

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Old 01-06-2005, 02:52 AM
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

as someone who's put some of those beats on you, may i say.....




bwahahahahahahaha.
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

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I don't like the raise. I may be wrong but I like Ciaffone here. Big unsuited's aren't that strong when playing for your stack.

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He'd generally consider it strong enough on this depth of money. Maybe not on this texture flop against some players, but in general.

In this particular example, roughly 3-2 pot odds allin is about enough to call against the typical online player.
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Old 01-06-2005, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

The all-in is a bit fishy to me and with a little read on the person, I call at this level. No read and this board is likely a fold.
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Old 01-06-2005, 09:23 PM
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

Call at this level for sure. Idiots on PP are always pulling this with crap. You'll see 77 here as often as the goods. They assume your raise is AK and if they dont see an A or a K they push with any pair.

I am more of the midset at PP 25NL 6-max that they are full of crap until proven otherwise.
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Old 01-06-2005, 09:37 PM
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Default Results?

Seems like the forum is evenly split. What happened?

The Doc
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

I would have to say fold as many others have said. You can definantly find a better spot against an opponent like this. Although I normally play the 100$ max nl on party so maybe Im used to a little less crazy play, but the very coordinated board makes me lean towards folding. Pair + flush draw or pair +oesd or oesd+fd are just not fun hands to be up against not even counting the fact that they might have 2 pair or a set.
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:39 PM
Rex Bluett Rex Bluett is offline
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

I voted call because my gut said this guys pushing a draw.
after reading the posts I agree maybe there are better spots to get the guys money the board is dangerous but I actually am more scared of big bets on un / semi coordinated boards as people are less likely to be fooling around on the come
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Old 01-07-2005, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: Call or fold TPTK here

bingo. well said.
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