TDL 2-7: passive idiocy or genius slowplay?

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This hand is just confusing to me. Villian is a player who I haven’t played with a lot. The little I’ve seen has shown him to be a fairly normal player. I’d just think this was a bad play, but his play was fairly standard other than this hand. So, what’s wrong with his line; what’s wrong with mine?

Hopefully, this hand is more interesting than just some random “bad beat”. I think villian’s line might actually be pretty good against an aggressive player.

Hand at Cutler Ridge ($4/$8 Triple Draw 2-7)
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Villian is at seat 0 with $269.
Hero is at seat 1 with $266.
OtherGuy1 is at seat 2 with $146.
OtherGuy2 is at seat 3 with $233.
OtherGuy3 is at seat 4 with $446.50.
The button is at seat 1.

OtherGuy1 posts the small blind of $2.
OtherGuy2 posts the big blind of $4.

Villian: -- -- -- -- --
Hero: 4s 5c Qd 2s Th
OtherGuy1: -- -- -- -- --
OtherGuy2: -- -- -- -- --
OtherGuy3: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

OtherGuy3 folds. Villian raises to $8. Hero
re-raises to $12. OtherGuy1 folds. OtherGuy2 folds.
Villian calls.

Villian takes 2 cards. Hero takes 2 cards.

Villian: -- -- -- -- --
Hero: 4s 5c 2s As 6c

Second Round:

Villan checks. Hero bets $4. Villan calls.


Villan takes 1 card. Hero takes 1 card.

Villan: -- -- -- -- --
Hero: 4s 5c 2s 6c 7s

Third Round:

Villan checks. Hero bets $8. Villan raises
to $16. Hero re-raises to $24. Villan
re-raises to $32. Hero calls.

Villan stands pat. Hero stands pat.

Villan: -- -- -- -- --
Hero: 4s 5c 2s 6c 7s

Final Round:

Villan bets $8. Hero calls.



Showdown:

Villan shows 7d 5s 4h 3s 2c.
Villan has 7 5 4 3 2.
Hero mucks cards.
(Hero has 7s 6c 5c 4s 2s.)


Hand Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $118.
Villan wins $116 with 7 5 4 3 2.
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[timprov]

Is this the right hand? It looks incredibly standard on both sides to me.

[randomstumbl]

After the first draw he checks a one card draw to a wheel. Seems like it's bad if I check behind there. I'll always call and I won't always bet.

On the third round, he check raises the wheel. I think it's difficult to put him on that hand based on the previous action.

If this is an obvious way to play a draw like this, I'm surprised. I've never really considered check calling and check raising with the obviously best hand when I'm not sure if my opponent is even going to bet.

His line worked perfectly on this hand, but I can't help thinking he's going to miss a lot of value when I brick.

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Second Round:

Villan checks. Hero bets $4. Villan calls.


Villan takes 1 card. Hero takes 1 card.


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Villians wrong here he should have bet.

I like his check raising on the turn. Also this isn't a bad beat considering you took the same amount of cards each time.

[SumZero]

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Second Round:

Villan checks. Hero bets $4. Villan calls.


Villan takes 1 card. Hero takes 1 card.


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Villians wrong here he should have bet.

I like his check raising on the turn. Also this isn't a bad beat considering you took the same amount of cards each time.

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What if he's drawing to 2345 or even worse 3457?

[randomstumbl]

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Second Round:

Villan checks. Hero bets $4. Villan calls.


Villan takes 1 card. Hero takes 1 card.


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Villians wrong here he should have bet.

I like his check raising on the turn. Also this isn't a bad beat considering you took the same amount of cards each time.

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What if he's drawing to 2345 or even worse 3457?

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Checking 2345 seems like a pretty enormous mistake against a two card draw that may or may not have improved.

3457 should still probably bet here too, if you're going to play the kind of hands that get you into that situation. (The only way I see 3457 in this spot is if he started with 345xx and hit a 7).

I think the check after the first draw was a key piece of information that caused me to overplay my hand. I can't really put someone on a wheel here when they played so passively after the first draw. So, the suboptimal play after the first draw gets two extra BB in when I'm dead in this situation.

He's basically played this hand perfectly. If my cards were different, his tactics in this hand would not have been as good as playing straightforwardly. So, is this a reasonable way to add variety to your play or is this just an example of a broken clock being right twice a day?

The cost of checking is some fraction of a small bet (probably around 1/3 by my very, very quick math). Does the deception created make this a good idea on occassion? I'm thinking that it probably does as long as it's done seldomly and your opponent doesn't consider this course of action as something you would do.