What is my flop accion?

milesdyson · #1 10-18-2005, 12:58 AM

Button has been at the table for 23 hands. i have not seen him show down a hand. his stats after the small sample are 43/30/1.75.

SB is 82/6/something. 25 hands or so before this he 3-bet bluffed me w/ 98 on a 6J653 river. i didn't note it because i already had this on him:
Code:<hr /><pre>called 84hh on J56T f/t to hit rvr 8.
raised TT6 flop w/ J3. TERRIBLE.
no rvbet in pos wn i ckd to him HU. T3 on AT657
-capd K92cc flop 3-w w/ A5cc.
-dbet K3 on A93Q trn 3-w into pfr'r and fl clr.</pre><hr />

UTG is 35/0/1, and is pretty bad. a few hands ago he just called QQ out of the SB to my raise and just called my flop bet on 955. Here are my notes on this player:
Code:<hr /><pre>bet TT all streets on QJ6A8 board oop hu.
will play big hands passively pf and on flop.</pre><hr />

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, SB calls, Hero ???

ninjaunderwear · #2 10-18-2005, 01:07 AM

With just 6 SB in the pot and two "takers" with one left to act, I would be surprised if anybody advocated anything other than folding, regardless of any reads.

gharp · #3 10-18-2005, 01:45 AM

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With just 6 SB in the pot and two "takers" with one left to act, I would be surprised if anybody advocated anything other than folding, regardless of any reads.

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I'll advocate calling. Your J outs need to be factored in to that 6:1, and the implied odds on your gutshot are very good, because any A will be married to the idiot end of that straight.

milesdyson · #4 10-18-2005, 03:31 AM

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regardless of any reads.

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hahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahaha

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the implied odds on your gutshot are very good

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this is 100% true.

now, naturally i wouldn't have posted this hand if i had missed my gutshot on the turn; however, i think even the turn is intraresting.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero ???

PokerSparky · #5 10-18-2005, 03:42 AM

I raise and cap if given the opportunity.

Nfinity · #6 10-18-2005, 05:06 AM

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regardless of any reads.

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hahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahaha

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the implied odds on your gutshot are very good

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this is 100% true.

now, naturally i wouldn't have posted this hand if i had missed my gutshot on the turn; however, i think even the turn is intraresting.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero ???

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I'm rather torn here.

SB is most likely to give us a lot of action on this Turn, if he is currently on a bluff or us betting out 2 diamonds or even has the low end of the straight.

On the other hand, UTG and Button seem like the type to fold when faced with 2 on this board, that is unless one of them has the other end of the straight.

The pot is kinda smallish, so we shouldnt be worried too much about protecting our hand. If any of the 2 guys behind you are even remotely aware of the type of player this guy is,or possibly has a hand, they could be willing to raise, giving you an opportunity to trap some people for a lot of bets.

I'm for smooth call, and I hope I'm right.

#7 10-18-2005, 06:14 AM

Call. SB is already betting your hand for you. Hopefully one of the others raises it for you as well.

Raise the river. If either UTG or Button stay with you on the turn, they're in it for the showdown. SB might then trap them for more as well.

MrWookie47 · #8 10-18-2005, 12:30 PM

My first instinct was to just raise away, but in this small pot, I think I agree with you. Any larger and I'd still raise.

milesdyson · #9 10-18-2005, 12:42 PM

i just called the turn. utg folded, button called.

river offsuit 3. sb bets, i raise, button calls, sb calls.

button shows A5 and SB has AQ. i think if the board didn't pair on the river that SB 3-bets, and i was surprised button didn't raise the turn.

anyway, 13 bb pot. this is obviously on the large side - i didn't expect this many extra small bets when i decided to call the flop (back when it was 6 sb)

thesharpie · #10 10-18-2005, 06:42 AM

Miles, how many outs do you give yourself on the flop? I usually end up folding in these close spots and want to know if there's something I'm missing. Are our implied odds really that good when only about half our outs are to the "pseudo nuts".

I smoothcall the turn, if they have nothing they'll probably fold for 2 cold, and hands that would call for 2 cold might raise anyway.