Check Check Raised

#1 10-13-2005, 06:13 AM

So far villain has played reasonably tight preflop and nothing special post flop but we haven't played many hands together. The check on the river from him (after checking the turn) led me to believe my hand was good, but the check raise all in from villain caught me totally off guard. Is this a call or a fold? How is my line, standard?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed)

Hero ($75.02)
Button ($41.35)
SB ($24.65)
BB ($39.75)
UTG ($50.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($6.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $8, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($22.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($22.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15, UTG calls $39.20 (All-In)

boondockst · #2 10-13-2005, 06:15 AM

He's representing 9T but I can't see how he could be bluffing here...He knows you almost have to call

I don't like your line. Either fold on the flop or 3-bet if you read him as some kind of a fool. Your river bet = ? What hand did you put him on? (You're at NL 50, you had better be putting opponents on a hand)

#3 10-13-2005, 06:22 AM

I thought he could have AQ/KQ and I called with the intention of re-evaluating on the turn. I prefer this over 3-betting the flop.

FlyingStart · #4 10-13-2005, 06:32 AM

Could it be a ridiculously slowplayed JJ or QQ? Raising UTG with 9T and then calling a reraise doesn't seem likely, neither does checkminraising the flop (Unless this is over my head). He could have 88 I suppose, checkraising the flop to push you of what he might think is AK, and then give up the hand unless he spikes an 8 on the turn or river.

I think villain line is strange here, hard to put him on a hand, but I probably call

EDIT: On second thought I could see myself play AA this way, so maybe that's what he got

#5 10-13-2005, 03:09 PM

He did have JJ and I was quite amazed that he was willing to check the river to me after I had checked the turn behind.

FreakDaddy · #6 10-13-2005, 03:34 PM

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He's representing 9T but I can't see how he could be bluffing here...He knows you almost have to call

I don't like your line. Either fold on the flop or 3-bet if you read him as some kind of a fool. Your river bet = ? What hand did you put him on? (You're at NL 50, you had better be putting opponents on a hand)

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9T? If he is he's super miracle donk. He did rasie UTG remember. I think the likely range is more AQ, KQ, and perhaps the donkish QJ. If he check raises that river with a set, I'd me mighty suprised, so I make the call. I think you're good enough here to be +EV.

FreakDaddy · #7 10-13-2005, 03:35 PM

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He did have JJ and I was quite amazed that he was willing to check the river to me after I had checked the turn behind.

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He just played it super donkish. Sometimes you have to pay those kinds of hands off. Really poorly played by villian. That sucks.

amoeba · #8 10-13-2005, 03:39 PM

fold the river.

river check raise is almost never a bluff.

good bet on the river for value but fold to the raise.

scdavis0 · #9 10-13-2005, 03:45 PM

A better way to play this hand is to bet the 3/4 pot on the turn, and fold if you get check-raised. Check behind on any non-king river.

FreakDaddy · #10 10-13-2005, 03:48 PM

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fold the river.

river check raise is almost never a bluff.

good bet on the river for value but fold to the raise.

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I generally agree with this statement too, but considering how the WHOLE hand was played, you think this is a fold?