We were all having so much fun I figured why stop the party at 3?

[runa]

UTG is LA-P
CO is LA-A
Button is unknown

Building a pot or just spewing?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>....

[ErrantNight]

i'd like the cap much more if you had a backdoor flush draw...

with only three, closing the action, i'm not sure you have the odds to cap.

that said... i'm torn as to whether capping benefits you if you hit your draw on the turn. i'm thinking they like their hands enough to get crazy on the turn, too, regardless, and your cap perhaps slows things down a bit.

i'm a lil torn, but i think just call the flop and see what happens on the turn. it's certainly what i would do... but anyone else want to offer that i'm wrong to do so?

[BaronVonCP]

The action stops when you hit your draw, regardless of the action before.

I don't like the cap at all, but it really doesn't make much difference.

[ErrantNight]

against an unknown and a postflop lag?

[vipchump]

I like the flop play. As someone mentioned it would be nice if you had a backdoor flush draw, but you do have ~1.5 outs for your ace. I think calling and raising are close, but hey aren't we all lags?

[runa]

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but hey aren't we all lags?

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lol...that's what I'm saying yo.

[sthief09]

chip spewing

[holdemfan]

Lets look at your outs. catch a 9? what if raiser has QK? catch a Q? what if raiser has ATs, KK, AK? Did he raise with your Q in his hand? It looks worth playing but your outs are probably less than you suspect. By getting your hand you may find it also gave them the best hand. Someone has top pair or two pair now and the other is probably drawing to top straight or a fish. Calling is scary but not a sin. Raising is not advised. Proceed with great caution.
In my humble Opinion,
Holdemfan

[runa]

I don't think my 9 outs count as good for anything since it completes the 4 str8. The original UTG raiser folded already and the CO is really aggro/loose so there's a decent chance I'm ahead if I hit the ace. I think the normal 1/2 devalue per ace out is reasonable for the times someone holds a 2-pair or pairs up with the ace.

I have probably a little over 1/3 chance to improve by the river with 9.5 outs, so calling is certainly not out of the question.

[Rico Suave]

Runa:

I think you might overvalue your 1 card OESD. With only 2 opponents in, I think you are not getting much value by capping the flop. If you were the button and could likely get a free card, then maybe, but up front, I would just call.

--Rico