Restealing Conditions

[Nicholasp27]

This thread is for thoughts on the conditions needed for resteals to be considered as a good move.

Blind sizes, chip stacks, number of players left, villian reads, etc...whatever u think is important to consider before going for a resteal

if u want, submit real or hypothetical hands to further illustrate it

[tigerite]

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Blind sizes, chip stacks, number of players left, villian reads, etc...whatever u think is important to consider before going for a resteal

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All of the above, plus table image, plus your cards actually do matter a little.

[Nicholasp27]

what i mean is what should u look for

blind stacks matter, so what makeup of blind stacks is most ideal for a resteal and when do blind stacks dicate that it's a bad time to do a resteal


cards only matter if u are called...i wanna get to the meat of how to determine when conditions are ripe to resteal with low probability of being called...

[tigerite]

Cards matter though because you have to factor in how often he will fold, and as that's never going to be 100%, they do have to be good enough to stand up to his when he does call.. it also matters how close you are to going to the felt and the pot odds you are giving him to call (as most people go on that, because there's no way of working out ICM at the table, naturally)..

[Nicholasp27]

ok, cards matter
but we all know what cards have what odds, etc...

what i wanna get at is the other conditions


ie if he has 3x your stack, you have lower chance of restealing whereas if stacks are

5k/1k/1k/1k and u both have 1k, he may let u resteal more of the time...

[tigerite]

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ok, cards matter
but we all know what cards have what odds, etc...

what i wanna get at is the other conditions


ie if he has 3x your stack, you have lower chance of restealing whereas if stacks are

5k/1k/1k/1k and u both have 1k, he may let u resteal more of the time...

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Well this depends because many players erroneously only see pot odds, for instance, if he raises to 250 and the blinds are 50/100 and you re-push then it's 750 for him to call into a pot of about 1300.. even if he "shouldn't" call by ICM etc. So it also depends on the situation of the game. Generally having someone covered is the best time to do it, and not to a total donk, because the looser they are the worse it is, much like open pushing in fact.

[rockythecat99]

Cards don't matter. Situations matter. For example. I play the turbos at stars so stacks are bigger and there is more playability. But say party for example. If its the bubble and you know from previous hands that player x is a blind stealer when he raises your BB or SB and you have a really good idea that BB will fold you go all in. You must have a stack that is comparable to player x's stack so that even if he is chip lead you will make a big dent on him if he calls say 1/3-1/2 of his stack.

[Nicholasp27]

cards matter only if u get called...everyone knows that if your attempt is unsuccesful, it's better to have a good hand than a bad hand

but i wanna get to the heart of the matter of when to resteal, not when to semi-resteal


if u want, u can give scenarios and say that factors x and y make this successful for top 50% of cards, or for any2 cards, or whatever

but i wanna get opinions on what factors one should take into account when deciding to resteal or not...cards is one, and we know how to do that...now, what other factors?


chip stacks? if so, what makeup? when the person u are restealing against has another even stack with him or there is an extreme shorty on table and it's 4-handed? do u have to have him covered in this case? just 2/3 his stack? etc...what factors should one consider when determining whether the conditions are favorable to resteal?

chip stacks
blind sizes
villian's tendencies (both card ranges and able to lay down vs calling station)
your table image
your cards
etc
etc

[bones]

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chip stacks? if so, what makeup? when the person u are restealing against has another even stack with him or there is an extreme shorty on table and it's 4-handed?

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I wouldn't include bubble play in this discussion. In that case, it's almost exclusively about chip stacks and your particular read on the opp.

I think restealing is very buyin dependant. Since you're trying to force someone to fold a hand/position that they've already shown interest in, the most important considerations should be your table image and their desire to not be bluffed. The first one is obvious and is more important as the buyin increases. The second is a phenomenon that I never would have believed until I started playing poker. Reverse gap, value-calling, whatever you want to call it. At the low buyins, you constantly see people completing/min-raising, then calling a huge overbet with K6, 33, Q9, etc. People just hate being bluffed. It's important that you don't try a resteal on one of these sheriffs. By the time that a resteal is worthwhile, you should have a decent enough read on villian to make this determination.