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#11
11-10-2005, 01:17 PM
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Re: Passive line against LAG.
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Ok so you raise, he calls, you? [/ QUOTE ] What's he do on the turn? That's the important part now. If he fires again on the turn, I'm gone. If he checks, I bet 3/4 of the pot. But to be honest, unless he goes to showdown a lot, I don't think he's going to just call here. He's going to fold or raise. If he has less than 2 pair, he's folding - that straight is just too frightening. If he has 2 pair or bigger, he's raising, and probably pushing. I think the most important thing to consider is what he's 3-betting PF with. If he was a solid player he'd have JJ+ or AK. You'd be splitting at best and most likely crushed. Even giving him a very wide range of 99+ or any two broadway cards (which is more likely), you're in pretty deep fertilizer. 90% of this beats you. Edit: I just Poker Stoved this. You're actually a coinflip with this range. But you're still very vulnerable. The main purpose of the raise on the flop is to snap off his c/b with a small pocket pair. Which is why it's somewhat of a toss-up decission - it all depends on how likely he is to fold with a hand other than the straight. 
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#12
11-10-2005, 01:18 PM
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Re: Passive line against LAG.
There's not enough information here to talk about postflop. 44/18/5 is nowhere near good enough a read to take a calldown strategy on a board like this with TPTK. If you knew he would fire on all streets as a bluff (or semibluff with a QT/KT/TT type hand or spades), this might be a viable strategy. If you don't know, you need to show some aggression and figure out where you are.
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#13
11-10-2005, 01:20 PM
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Re: Passive line against LAG.
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[ QUOTE ] Ok so you raise, he calls, you? [/ QUOTE ] What's he do on the turn? That's the important part now. If he fires again on the turn, I'm gone. If he checks, I bet 3/4 of the pot. But to be honest, unless he goes to showdown a lot, I don't think he's going to just call here. He's going to fold or raise. If he has less than 2 pair, he's folding - that straight is just too frightening. If he has 2 pair or bigger, he's raising, and probably pushing. I think the most important thing to consider is what he's 3-betting PF with. If he was a solid player he'd have JJ+ or AK. You'd be splitting at best and most likely crushed. Even giving him a very wide range of 99+ or any two broadway cards (which is more likely), you're in pretty deep fertilizer. 90% of this beats you. Edit: I just Poker Stoved this. You're actually a coinflip with this range. But you're still very vulnerable. The main purpose of the raise on the flop is to snap off his c/b with a small pocket pair. Which is why it's somewhat of a toss-up decission - it all depends on how likely he is to fold with a hand other than the straight. [/ QUOTE ] I'm OOP..
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#14
11-10-2005, 01:23 PM
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Re: Passive line against LAG.
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There's not enough information here to talk about postflop. 44/18/5 is nowhere near good enough a read to take a calldown strategy on a board like this with TPTK. If you knew he would fire on all streets as a bluff (or semibluff with a QT/KT/TT type hand or spades), this might be a viable strategy. If you don't know, you need to show some aggression and figure out where you are. [/ QUOTE ] Show aggression? We can't even assume hes looser and more aggressive than most? How many hands before we can? Anyhow I hate raising the flop because he will call with a ton of hands, some of which are drawing very live, some of which have me dominated, I think building the pot OOP here is just plain bad. He'll call 9 times out of 10 on the flop and bet the turn when we check which leaves us folding most turns.
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#15
11-10-2005, 01:25 PM
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Re: Passive line against LAG.
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I'm OOP.. [/ QUOTE ] Damn...so you are [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. Wish you could still see the original post when replying to follow-up posts lol. Ok then, he calls. With a 5.0 AF (an barring any other notes or reads) he's raising with 2-pair or better, so I'm going to guess this indicates a flush draw or something like QT. So I bet/fold here. Block the river when the flush hits.
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#16
11-10-2005, 01:29 PM
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Re: Passive line against LAG.
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[ QUOTE ] There's not enough information here to talk about postflop. 44/18/5 is nowhere near good enough a read to take a calldown strategy on a board like this with TPTK. If you knew he would fire on all streets as a bluff (or semibluff with a QT/KT/TT type hand or spades), this might be a viable strategy. If you don't know, you need to show some aggression and figure out where you are. [/ QUOTE ] Show aggression? We can't even assume hes looser and more aggressive than most? How many hands before we can? Anyhow I hate raising the flop because he will call with a ton of hands, some of which are drawing very live, some of which have me dominated, I think building the pot OOP here is just plain bad. He'll call 9 times out of 10 on the flop and bet the turn when we check which leaves us folding most turns. [/ QUOTE ] So check/call flop and lead turn. IMO, reads based on PT numbers are almost completely useless past the flop.
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#17
11-10-2005, 02:14 PM
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Re: Passive line against LAG.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There's not enough information here to talk about postflop. 44/18/5 is nowhere near good enough a read to take a calldown strategy on a board like this with TPTK. If you knew he would fire on all streets as a bluff (or semibluff with a QT/KT/TT type hand or spades), this might be a viable strategy. If you don't know, you need to show some aggression and figure out where you are. [/ QUOTE ] Show aggression? We can't even assume hes looser and more aggressive than most? How many hands before we can? Anyhow I hate raising the flop because he will call with a ton of hands, some of which are drawing very live, some of which have me dominated, I think building the pot OOP here is just plain bad. He'll call 9 times out of 10 on the flop and bet the turn when we check which leaves us folding most turns. [/ QUOTE ] So check/call flop and lead turn. IMO, reads based on PT numbers are almost completely useless past the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I like this line followed by a fold to raise and checkfold that river. I think PT numbers are very valuable if you use PA HUD. Seeing that a villain raised 25/40 flops that he's seen for instance is enough for me to assume he bets when checked to. Also, seeing a much lower turn number 8/30 tells me he slows down when his flop bets are called w/o a hand.
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