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#21
11-01-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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I just don't see jason screwing around in a big multiway pot, so capping with AQs or JJ see a bit out of character IMO [/ QUOTE ] Him being on the button makes this more plausible, though. In any case, we know that the old lady is overcalling a bet on the river with any piece of the board. After the turn check I'm more likely putting Jason on AK or some mid pp. Since we know we aren't getting old lady to fold a better hand, and we think jason is chopping with us or beating us, the question becomes can we get jason to fold a hand like 88 to a river checkraise, when we know we can get the old lady to fold. Betting doesn't seem right though, to me anyways, because better hands aren't going away with a pot this large and worse hands (like AQs) might put you to the test with a river raise. Plus like I said earlier, old lady is calling with any part of the board in a pot this large. 
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#22
11-01-2005, 02:37 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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I just don't see jason screwing around in a big multiway pot, so capping with AQs or JJ see a bit out of character IMO [/ QUOTE ] Note: I have not played with Jason Regardless, I think you should include hands like JJ and AQs in his range, because of that factor exactly - it's out of character for his image (at least on here). I'd think a cap with those hands is possible for a few reasons: - The pot is multiway, and given the other players in the hand he probably will have equity to cap with a wider range. - He knows bakku will be wary of a cap, given his image. - He'll have position on bakku. So far Jason has played this just like I'd play AK or AQ, so I like the check-raise idea on the river, except for the fact that there are others still in the hand. It's hard to put EMP lady on anything besides maybe a couple of whiffed overs, or a mid PP. I think the only chance of winning the pot is to bet the river. Give her the chance to fold her mid PP incorrectly, because checking and having it check through would really suck.
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#23
11-01-2005, 02:39 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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Give her the chance to fold her mid PP incorrectly, because checking and having it check through would really suck. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think she's gonna fold something like 66 on the end here, but I could be wrong.
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#24
11-01-2005, 03:03 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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[ QUOTE ] I just don't see jason screwing around in a big multiway pot, so capping with AQs or JJ see a bit out of character IMO [/ QUOTE ] Note: I have not played with Jason Regardless, I think you should include hands like JJ and AQs in his range, because of that factor exactly - it's out of character for his image (at least on here). I'd think a cap with those hands is possible for a few reasons: - The pot is multiway, and given the other players in the hand he probably will have equity to cap with a wider range. - He knows bakku will be wary of a cap, given his image. - He'll have position on bakku. So far Jason has played this just like I'd play AK or AQ, so I like the check-raise idea on the river, except for the fact that there are others still in the hand. It's hard to put EMP lady on anything besides maybe a couple of whiffed overs, or a mid PP. I think the only chance of winning the pot is to bet the river. Give her the chance to fold her mid PP incorrectly, because checking and having it check through would really suck. [/ QUOTE ] hey scott, my read on the lady is that she's calling with any pair on the river if i bet while she may or may not bet any pair. however, i think my best chance of getting jason to fold would be to bet the river since i'm betting into the lady who will call with any pair and maybe convince jason that i missed a turn c/r or that i have a medium PP. a c/r might get the lady to fold a pair (which would be awesome) but i dont think jason will fold AK. he's also not betting AK on the river a lot of the time. basically, i have no idea what to do.
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#25
11-01-2005, 03:09 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
If you think that my range is AA--JJ, AKs then you have 22% equity against me after the flop. I'm too lazy to type up the calculation but I can if people are dying for it.
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#26
11-01-2005, 03:23 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
wow, i cap with way less. against people who can make folds, sometimes as low as 88. how out of line am i?
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#27
11-01-2005, 03:51 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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wow, i cap with way less. against people who can make folds, sometimes as low as 88. how out of line am i? [/ QUOTE ] Capping 88 and other such hands in this spot is terrible.
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#28
11-01-2005, 04:22 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
So Shania isn't applicable here?
And by your statement that 88 is terrible here, then AQs ought to be along the "terrible" lines as well. Therefore, only AK and AA-JJ. I don't see how you can check the turn with a strong pp here, so that would put you with exclusively AK? Therefore the name of the game is "Hey, I know we both have AK, so how do we get loose lady out of the hand". It's either bet or checkraise.
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#29
11-01-2005, 04:47 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
The way it played out it looks a lot like jasont has AKs and this lady doesnt look like she's budging if you bet into her so maybe a checkraise will freeze her out. However if I were in JasonT's spot and held AA (maybe KK)with this particular board it might be a good time to throw a curveball and check behind the turn just to let the table know when I cap preflop and check behind on the turn I dont always have AK. Interesting hand guys i'd like to see the outcome.
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