Flush got there now what?

[pistol78]

Live 6/12 Table is pretty passive ABC type. Have not been here long but have not seen anyone get out of line.

2 villains involved in this hand only seeem to bet when they have something

Hero is on the Button with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Vilain 1 calls ,3 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, Villain 2 checks.

(7sb) FLop Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]


Villain 2 checks, Villain 1 bets 3 of us call, including Villain 2

(6.5BB)Turn 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] All Check

(6.5BB) River K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain 2 immediatly bets, and Villain 1 Immediatly raises, all fold to Hero who does ???

[Nick Royale]

It seems to me like villains changed seats. i'm not sure how many caller there were on the flop before you acted, but raising might be an option. You realise you should act between villain 1 and 2. Did he act out of order. I'm confused. Should the hand look like this:


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Hero is on the Button with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Vilain 1 calls ,3 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, Villain 2 checks.

(7sb) FLop Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Villain 2 checks, Villain 1 bets, 2 calls, Hero calls, Villain 2 calls

(6.5BB)Turn 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] All Check

(6.5BB) River K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain 2 immediatly bets, and Villain 1 Immediatly raises, all fold to Hero who does ???

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In that case I'm raising the flop and go for an overcall on the river.

[Piiop]

Yeah, the action is kind of messed up in this hand.

Either way, raise the flop.

[pistol78]

Sorry it is fixed. What do I do on the river?

[Piiop]

It's still not right. Villain 2 can't check the flop after Villain 1 bets. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I would call the river.

[Nick Royale]

Villain 2 could have missed his check/raise on the turn with a straight (or even, though relatively unlikely, flopped set). If you 3-bet, villain 1 will often fold and villain 2 only cap you with a flush. Which is very likely to be higher than yours. By 3-betting you lose 2 when behind and gain 1 when ahead. By calling you most often gain 1 when ahead and lose 1 when behind. So given the reads of the players I would probably go for an overcall.

I'm not sure about this one, though. Since villain 1 might call your raise and villain 2, since he posted in BB, might have a lower flush raising might be correct. Also there's a lot more hand villain 2 will raise here. Like K2 K3 KQ and other hands with which he intended to c/r the turn with. I'm leaning towards a 3-bet now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

EDIT: Add to that villain should be raising a flush draw on the flop.

[pistol78]

Villain 2 is the BB and Villain 1 is in EP

[Nick Royale]

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It's still not right. Villain 2 can't check the flop after Villain 1 bets. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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He don't.

[pistol78]

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Villain 2 could have missed his check/raise on the turn with a straight

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Very good reasoning, this concept only dawned on me3 hours later.

So your options are
1. Calling
2. 3betting
Do you find a fold somewhere?

[Piiop]

I agree with your first paragraph.

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I'm not sure about this one, though. Since villain 1 might call your raise and villain 2, since he posted in BB, might have a lower flush raising might be correct. Also there's a lot more hand villain 2 will raise here. Like K2 K3 KQ and other hands with which he intended to c/r the turn with. I'm leaning towards a 3-bet now

EDIT: Add to that villain should be raising a flush draw on the flop.

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There aren't too many lower flushes either villain could have. I think a 3-bet will lose V2 almost all the time. I'm also wondering what V1 checks the turn and raises the river with.

(Villain 1 and Villain 2 is confusing me)