Would a flop call be too loose here?

PuckNPoker · #1 07-08-2005, 04:33 AM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 3 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, CO calls, SB calls, Hero ....

This was bugging me a little, If i didnt discount my sucker gutshot I have 5.5 outs with my BFD. Easy Fold or Easy Call?

Not many reads 20 hands in, not too many hands had gone to showdown at this table, PFR was playing fast and loose though, played about half his hands and brought it in for a raise a lot. But with so few hands on him I wasnt sure if it was a good run of cards or just laggy.

aK13 · #2 07-08-2005, 04:38 AM

Call that [censored], and it's not even close.

jaxUp · #3 07-08-2005, 04:41 AM

Call that. 5.5 outs needs about 7.5:1 to call. You're getting that and more.

Bodhi · #4 07-08-2005, 04:49 AM

In raised pots you can usually play a bit looser post-flop. Notice that if the pot were not raised, your odds wouldn't be so good.

Innocentius · #5 07-08-2005, 04:57 AM

Call. You are closing the action. If you make your straight you will make at least 2 more big bets on the turn and river, probably more. And you have your BFD. This is more than enough to make up for the times you make your hand and lose.

dozer · #6 07-08-2005, 05:11 AM

easy call getting 11 to 1

Dave G. · #7 07-08-2005, 05:37 AM

You also have a backdoor wheel draw which is worth an extra 0.5 outs. If that improves you'll have a double gutshot on the turn. Pretty easy call.

@bsolute_luck · #8 07-08-2005, 05:38 AM

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Call that. 5.5 outs needs about 7.5:1 to call. You're getting that and more.

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how do you knows this? i know the outs/odds for calling on the turn, but i can't figure out the flop odds needed to call [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Dave G. · #9 07-08-2005, 05:41 AM

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how do you knows this? i know the outs/odds for calling on the turn, but i can't figure out the flop odds needed to call [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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SSH has an odds / outs chart on page 30. You can calculate these odds on the fly, but it's much much easier just to memorise this chart down to 9 outs. On the chart, 5 outs requires 8.2:1 to call, and 6 outs requires 6.7:1 to call, so 7.5:1 is a reasonable estimate for 5.5 outs.

jaxUp · #10 07-08-2005, 05:42 AM

I was just giving the flop-to-turn odds needed. Obviously the flop-to-river odds will be slightly better, but I figured that they are pretty inconsequential as we will most likely not be getting a free card anyways.