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Old 11-20-2005, 08:48 AM
Farfenugen Farfenugen is offline
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Default Will a good SS Hold\'em player help me?

My story:

I am a 23 year old college student from the Kansas City area. I have read WLLHE, SSHE, and HEFAP and I consider myself a pretty smart and logical person. This last summer I decided to really start playing 3/6 W/kill Hold'em at the local Ameristar casino. I had a 2700 bankroll saved up and I had read SSHE several times. I felt confident that I would succeed in the game. By mid-July the entire bankroll was gone. I had lost it all. I felt I had played very well during this time so this was obviously quite frustrating for me. Over this period I continued to read SSHE and while I did identify some concepts that I was mis-applying, overall I played some quality poker. I was devastated at the time. It is very hard to get me to tilt so I knew it wasn't a problem.

Not knowing what to do I decided to read some articles on what to do while running bad. Most of them advised on taking a break from poker. I knew this was a ridiculous but I was so desperate at the time I figured what the hell. If you are playing winning poker no matter how bad you have run in the past you should stay in the game. I took a break from B&M poker until just this weekend.

I played Friday and Saturday night. I figured this would be a great way to start again as there is a ton of action at the 3/6 tables on weekends. I lost 500.

I am at a point where I don't know what to do. I love the game and I will never stop playing but I am also extremely unhappy with the way things are going. I am taking some horrendous beats every session.

I know this sounds like every other schmucks bad beat story. I guess that is the most difficult thing about all this. I don't feel like I have anyone to talk about this to who will have any understanding or sympathy. Many of you are probably thinking that I am too ignorant and arrogant to realize the gigantic holes in my game. Or maybe you think I am tilting away all my money. This may be the case, the mind has a way of fooling itself. That said, I truly believe in my heart and in my head that I am playing correct, disciplined poker.

I am starting to wonder whether I am a statistical outlier in the poker world. The chances are slim but so are getting hit in the head by a meteor and that has happened.

If you read all that I'm sorry, but I just had to get that all out there. Flame away or make snide comments if you want, but I just couldn't keep it inside any longer.

You are probably wondering by now what I need help with. Well, I would like someone who is very good at small stakes hold'em to review a list of my hands to find any holes in my game and give me advice. I plan on sitting at the table with a notebook and logging every single hand I play then copying it to MS word. I know this is -EV to do this but I don't know what else to do. I'm desperate.

I will gladly pay the person that accepts $50 transfered to their Poker Stars account.
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Old 11-20-2005, 09:00 AM
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Default Re: Will a good SS Hold\'em player help me?

i'm going into hospital for a week and need some reading, if its a decent number of hands like over 20,000 then yeah i'll have a look for u, pm me.
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Old 11-20-2005, 09:40 AM
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Default Re: Will a good SS Hold\'em player help me?

Hey dude, Heres my advice.

Don't go to B&M anymore, Infact after losing $2700 AT 3/6(450bb) I'd puke at the thought of it.

If you want to get into poker, learn the proper way and put the time in.

Firstly i think a few points:
1, your no way near as good as you think you are.
2, Losing 450BB is unlikly to be "a bad run"
3, $2700 lost and losing $500 more... Are you an addict? Im deadly serious? do you have an addictive personality?

ANyhow,
Cash in $30 to POKERSTARS. here you will play .05/.10. Yeah thats a huge drop from $3/6 but winning 1 pot in your whole life time at .05/.10 is 3200+ X Bigger than any wins you've had in terms of net profit.

Re-Read SSH, This is your bible. Post hands you found confusing in Micro forum.

When you get to $60 move up to .10/.20 and continue to grind.

Then post asking for more advice, this will keep you busy for a while.

If you go back to B&M i'll consider you a stupid fish and wont bother reading your posts.

If your disiplined, willing to learn poker and have a brain you'll most likly follow this advice.

Start small like i did, infact i started at 0.02/.04 so be happy you can play .05/.10. I'm at 1/2 currently and NO WAY will i touchb 3/6 for ages. And i've logged a hell of alot more hands than you [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 11-20-2005, 09:45 AM
TimsterToo TimsterToo is offline
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Default Re: Will a good SS Hold\'em player help me?

Maybe play online for a while?

There are a couple of plusses in that in your specific situation:

You can play far lower stakes so that if you have a couple of serious leaks it won't hurt you financially as much.

You can much easier track play with Pokertracker. (which is an absolute must buy in your situation)

You take out the factor of totally being read. Maybe a couple of the players at that casino table totally own you. Online and playing lower stakes that will certainly not be the case.
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Old 11-20-2005, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: Will a good SS Hold\'em player help me?

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Don't go to B&M anymore, Infact after losing $2700 AT 3/6(450bb) I'd puke at the thought of it.


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Unless I can find a logical reason that the mere fact that I am at a B&M cardroom means I will lose, this is unlikely. I enjoy B&M quite a bit more than online and my love of the game ensures that I will keep playing.

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1, your no way near as good as you think you are.


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I hope not. Then I can fix things. I can't fix bad luck.

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3, $2700 lost and losing $500 more... Are you an addict? Im deadly serious? do you have an addictive personality?


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Heh. I don't think I have an addictive personality unless you count competition. What kept me going back was that I figured as long as I kept playing winning poker over time the law of averages would kick in and I would start winning.

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Re-Read SSH, This is your bible. Post hands you found confusing in Micro forum.


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It already is my bible. I have read it so many times I think I need a new one. The pages are falling out.

I do play online and win a fair bit. I have about 450 in my account. Mostly S&Gs. It is enjoyable but I have so much more fun in a cardroom and I can play longer without my eyes getting red. There is just something about the social aspect of it. While I lost 200 last night I laughed my ass off on several occasions and almost fell out of my chair once. After a loss with AK an old man told me not to raise pre-flop with that hand because it is only %10 to win against 8 people. You can't get that experience online. Despite my losses I had a blast for the majority of the time.
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Old 11-20-2005, 12:15 PM
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Don't go to B&M anymore, Infact after losing $2700 AT 3/6(450bb) I'd puke at the thought of it.


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Unless I can find a logical reason that the mere fact that I am at a B&M cardroom means I will lose, this is unlikely. I enjoy B&M quite a bit more than online and my love of the game ensures that I will keep playing.


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The different rake structure between on-line and B&M could easily turn a marginal winner on-line into a loser in B&M.

There is a huge difference between a 5% $3-max rake and a 10% $4-max rake. On top of that you pay tips to dealers and cocktail waitresses in B&M that you do not pay on-line.

Paul
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Old 11-20-2005, 12:25 PM
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After a loss with AK an old man told me not to raise pre-flop with that hand because it is only %10 to win against 8 people. You can't get that experience online. Despite my losses I had a blast for the majority of the time.

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well, not only are you not accepting help from a poster who is only trying to give you good advice, you're proving him right. The mere fact that you're shocked you lost with AK tells me that luck has nothing to do with your situation.
And you say you play S&G online? Well, unless they're fixed limit sit n go's this isn't helping your limit game. If you truly cared about improving your game, then stop being in denial and actually listen to some of the advice given to you.
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Old 11-20-2005, 12:53 PM
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After a loss with AK an old man told me not to raise pre-flop with that hand because it is only %10 to win against 8 people. You can't get that experience online. Despite my losses I had a blast for the majority of the time.

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well, not only are you not accepting help from a poster who is only trying to give you good advice, you're proving him right. The mere fact that you're shocked you lost with AK tells me that luck has nothing to do with your situation.


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If I appear to be rejecting help from anyone I certainly do not mean to. All I meant to say was that until I find something specifically associated with B&M play that is causing me to lose shunning it altogether would be premature.

I think you misinterpretted my AK story. I told it to illustrate the amusing things that go on in a B&M cardroom. I don't know what % AK is against 8 opponents but it is certainly better than %10! I did a double-take when the old man said that.

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Well, unless they're fixed limit sit n go's this isn't helping your limit game. If you truly cared about improving your game, then stop being in denial and actually listen to some of the advice given to you.

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I don't feel I am in denial and I am trying to be as introspective as possible. I guess I have not really said it but I am taking in what you are all saying. I said I was desperate didn't I. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] You must understand that I have a competetive nature and I enjoy B&M poker so much that I have a strong desire to win there.
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Old 11-20-2005, 12:59 PM
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The different rake structure between on-line and B&M could easily turn a marginal winner on-line into a loser in B&M.

There is a huge difference between a 5% $3-max rake and a 10% $4-max rake. On top of that you pay tips to dealers and cocktail waitresses in B&M that you do not pay on-line.

Paul

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That is a good point. I just read in a another thread how much people are spending on the rake. Some of the figures are incredible.
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Old 11-20-2005, 01:05 PM
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After a loss with AK an old man told me not to raise pre-flop with that hand because it is only %10 to win against 8 people.

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For the sake of clarity: You raised after 7 limpers? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]


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You can't get that experience online. Despite my losses I had a blast for the majority of the time.

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If I'm steady taking your money, I'm going to do everything I can to entertain you and keep you re-loading and at my table. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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