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Old 12-23-2005, 05:15 PM
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I don't like the preflop reraise. Since you're going to have approximately the same amount of equity whether you raise or call, I think it's pretty clear that you shouldn't VP$IP more chips in, to reduce variance. In higher buy-ins, you can use "PFR-deception" to your advantage, but at the 11's it's overrated, especially with a hand like JJ.
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Old 12-23-2005, 05:23 PM
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I limp with jacks or lower in lvl 1 or 2. That is assuming this is an $11 or $22.

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How can this be right?
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:28 PM
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at these levels you see a ton of people calling big raises preflop with ace-x. After the flop I would make a smallish sized bet and if called I would not make another stab, if reraised I would fold personally.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:57 PM
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At the $10 level, if you play this hand 100 times, and the flop has an ace in it, you're going to be looking at AT LEAST A-x about 90 times - they just won't toss a hand with any ace in it - they'll go all-in with A-x a lot, so calling a $150 raise is not gonna stop them. Add in the callers with 8-8, 2-2, and any two diamonds - your only out is a J.
I just limp in, and no set no bet it.......keeps me from punching my monitor out. I bet JJ is way high on the list for money losing hands, especially in the 10/20 buy ins.
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:22 PM
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I hate your name.
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Old 12-24-2005, 04:10 AM
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At the $10 level, if you play this hand 100 times, and the flop has an ace in it, you're going to be looking at AT LEAST A-x about 90 times - they just won't toss a hand with any ace in it - they'll go all-in with A-x a lot, so calling a $150 raise is not gonna stop them. Add in the callers with 8-8, 2-2, and any two diamonds - your only out is a J.
I just limp in, and no set no bet it.......keeps me from punching my monitor out. I bet JJ is way high on the list for money losing hands, especially in the 10/20 buy ins.

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Don't I want them to call this raise w/ Ax though?

I understand not being pumped about an Ace high flop, I just don't understand the limping in part.
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Old 12-24-2005, 04:39 AM
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You should limp if you have subpar poker skills. Otherwise you should raise.

The only problem on the river though is that you don't know if he was going for a check-raise on the turn or not. However when you check behind it means he could have a good hand or a total bluff, so a call is mandatory.

Well played imo.
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Old 12-24-2005, 04:50 AM
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My typical play by far is to flat call
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:36 AM
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Default Re: JJ, opening hand

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My typical play by far is to flat call

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Does this consider that OP tells us throughout the thread that this is an 11? Would you not re-raise with more than your typical re-raise hands when facing a min-raiser and a couple of callers...like, to thin out the garbage that people will minraise with/call minraises with?

Or does your standard flat call deal more specifically with the higher buyins?
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:43 AM
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Oh I didnt see the buyin. Ummm....In a $33 Id flat call, an $11 is trickier, they are just a bit too stupid for me to play so weakly. I might reraise a bit more though. Im not sure about the flop bet into 3 morons on an ace high flop.
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