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Old 12-23-2005, 06:20 PM
Guido Guido is offline
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Hi all,

I haven't played a lot in the last couple of months and that's why I started some 5/10 a couple of weeks ago. What do you guys think about these 2 folds.

<font color="blue"> Hand 1</font>

I haven't played a lot at this limit so not many reads but I would like to know what you do without reads. The BB in this hand had a low PF and an aggression factor of about 1 but not too many hands.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Guido is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Guido raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Guido caps</font>, MP calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Guido 3-bets</font>, MP calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, MP calls, BB calls.

River: (13.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Guido folds, MP folds.

Final Pot: 17.70 BB

<font color="blue"> Hand 2 </font>

No reads, no clue

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Guido is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Guido raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Guido 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Guido folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Thanks,

Guido

Feels good to be back...
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:32 PM
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i call both down.
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: Rusty

Hi have it all,

Can you explain why you call them? Just telling me what you would do isn't going to help me.

Thanks,

Guido
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:44 PM
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Hand #1: Oops I didn't realize you folded. Ah what? The pot is too big and you are ahead enough of the time for it to be profitable. I've been meaning to post a hand where I went crazy with AK and I was shocked I won when it was all done. 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]'s on the flop, one on the turn and 4 on the river and me w/out a heart. I capped preflop and the flop and nobody had a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Someone called me with 55 and nothing else was on the board. I think the other person had KQ.

Hand #2: I think you played this right and I think I really suck because I call this down here. Why didn't button cap the flop though? To get one or two more out of you?
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:59 PM
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Sorry G.

I've seen your posts in archives etc and figured you'd know why i suggested it. I hate people just writing there line without an explaination.

Hand one - although i dont think your good here very often i have seen plently of people do this sort of thing with top pair hands or maybe Q9. I understand you have someone behind you but dont think he will have a better hand given the action. If you had a better read i would be more inclined to play as you did.

Hand 2 - Again with a better read i can fold, again its no read and i call down. Lots of players are doing this with PP imo with a spade imo for a free showdown.

i'd be happy to admit the way i play either is wrong, maybe i've just been running into alot of this sort of thing recently.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: Rusty

Heres a little more detailed response, although my reasoning could be off, I dont know.

Hand 1: I call because a.) the pot is very large and b.) Theres a chance the BB has a hand like Q9 or Q8 and we have him beat (although he would be a donkey to be calling 2 bets preflop with those hands)

Hand 2: You would be surprised how often villian has a weaker ace here, at least where I play (1/2) I call this down every time against an unkown, against a Tight passive I fold to his raise.
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: Rusty

Folding hand 1 is probably +EV, but I don't think I can do it.

Hand 2 is good.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: Rusty

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Folding hand 1 is probably +EV, but I don't think I can do it.

Hand 2 is good.

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I agree w/ Hand 2. On Hand 1 I think he has AQ or KK often enough to make a river call good.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:12 PM
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Default Re: Rusty

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Folding hand 1 is probably +EV, but I don't think I can do it.

Hand 2 is good.

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I agree w/ Hand 2. On Hand 1 I think he has AQ or KK often enough to make a river call good.

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I have NEVER seen KK or AQ play a hand like this. If we are calling, its because we think there is a 1 in 20 chance that BB is retarded and has Q8 or 98 which hit two-pair on the river, and doesn't realize that he would still lose to an overpair, a boat, a flush, a straight, or any Q in the case of 98. Most people here seem to advocate a call here, but honestly, I really don't think we are good even 1 in 20.
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Rusty

Hand 1: I call and start swearing when I see villian flip over TJ.

Hand 2: I also call and check/call the river.
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