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#11
10-26-2005, 12:19 PM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
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[ QUOTE ] Pot the flop. Pot the turn, if he raises, repot. Pot the river. Thus endeth the lesson. [/ QUOTE ] If that would have worked it would have been great but i think i would taken it down on the flop, winning a nice $9 pot. [/ QUOTE ] By the way - you realise that your flush draw is non-nut on the flop. So YOU want to shut out better flush draws. If you hit a spade for $4, then what? What you *really* would like is for somebody to go to the felt with you with a broadway straight and no backup flush draw. If that is the case, pot the flop. Mr. Broadway will let you know by repotting, and now you can shovel your chips in as fast as possible. Half potting, might give him a chance to realise that he doesnt have that good a hand after all. 
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#12
10-26-2005, 12:31 PM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
This isn't a dream scenario on the turn. It's no different than any other flush over flush situation. Sometimes the guy sucks and calls pot pot, and sometimes he folds.
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#13
10-26-2005, 12:41 PM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
Also I'm not sure how happy I'd be getting all in for 300BBs each on this flop. The nut straight is a QT so. He's 50/50 to have the Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
If he raises me on the flop, I'd hate to re-raise because if he gives me additional action, I'm guaranteed to be free rolled.
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#14
10-26-2005, 03:43 PM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
I like your line much better the more I think about it. It allows more money to get in with less information given about your redraw. If he will pay off filip's line, you are very likely to get more money with his line (provided he calls the flop) and without doing a results based analysis, without question wins quite a bit more money against a naked QJxx.
scdavis0's point in the next post regarding a 4th bet on the flop is good to consider, but cross that bridge when you come to it.
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#15
10-26-2005, 05:04 PM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
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Why do you assume that villain would not call pot on the flop, then check-raise pot you on the turn, and go to the felt with his 2nd nut hand here? [/ QUOTE ] Self-denial? Dont wanna admit how bad i played it. I now think you are right. Thanks for all the feedback!
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#16
10-27-2005, 12:55 AM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
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He's 50/50 to have the Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Hero has one queen, three others are out. If Villain also has the nut straight on the flop, he's 33/67 to have the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Plus, just having the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] does not mean he's suited in spades.
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#17
10-27-2005, 04:22 AM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
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Also I'm not sure how happy I'd be getting all in for 300BBs each on this flop. The nut straight is a QT so. He's 50/50 to have the Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. If he raises me on the flop, I'd hate to re-raise because if he gives me additional action, I'm guaranteed to be free rolled. [/ QUOTE ] I would be absolutely delighted to get it all-in on this flop with the current nuts, and the 2nd nut flush draw. Villain could easily have QJxx and no redraws, or QJxx and a smaller flush draw. And some very small % of the time, he will be freerolling us, but we are FAR more likely to be freerolling villain.
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#18
10-27-2005, 02:13 PM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
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[ QUOTE ] Also I'm not sure how happy I'd be getting all in for 300BBs each on this flop. The nut straight is a QT so. He's 50/50 to have the Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. If he raises me on the flop, I'd hate to re-raise because if he gives me additional action, I'm guaranteed to be free rolled. [/ QUOTE ] I would be absolutely delighted to get it all-in on this flop with the current nuts, and the 2nd nut flush draw. Villain could easily have QJxx and no redraws, or QJxx and a smaller flush draw. And some very small % of the time, he will be freerolling us, but we are FAR more likely to be freerolling villain. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, getting it all in on the flop would be great.
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#20
10-28-2005, 03:45 AM
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Re: Very deep stacks, flopped nuts with redraw, think i fakked up
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Against anyone remotely competent in Omaha if you get all in for deep money you will be getting freerolled. At minimum be dodging a boat redraw. [/ QUOTE ] Hardly. I am remotely competent at omaha, and I would get my money in with QJ and a good flush draw here. I dont have to have the current nuts AND a NUT redraw. I would get old before I played a hand if that was my requirements. The current nuts and the 2nd nut flush draw is a really really strong hand here.
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