An annoying QK hand

ggbman · #1 11-02-2005, 03:11 PM

The preflop raiser is decent, but has a wide range and has been isolating the limper who limps every hand. I didn't want to raise the flop or bet the turn, but i don't know what i am supposed to do differently here?

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, BB folds, MP2 calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

stoxtrader · #2 11-02-2005, 03:13 PM

without reads on MP and CO, your PF play is bad.

Justin A · #3 11-02-2005, 03:15 PM

3bet preflop if your read is that he's raising light.

ihardlyknowher · #4 11-02-2005, 03:16 PM

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The preflop raiser is decent, but has a wide range and has been isolating the limper who limps every hand. I didn't want to raise the flop or bet the turn, but i don't know what i am supposed to do differently here?

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, BB folds, MP2 calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

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Why call the turn if you plan on folding the river?

ggbman · #5 11-02-2005, 03:17 PM

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without reads on MP and CO, your PF play is bad.

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I know, which is why i mentioned that the MP was limping every hand and the CO was liberally isolating him [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (like any ace, any pair 44+, any two cards 9 and over) Guess it wasnt clear in the OP. Given that info, what do you think?

Justin A · #6 11-02-2005, 03:18 PM

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The preflop raiser is decent, but has a wide range and has been isolating the limper who limps every hand. I didn't want to raise the flop or bet the turn, but i don't know what i am supposed to do differently here?

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, BB folds, MP2 calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

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Why call the turn if you plan on folding the river?

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Gutshot.

Also I don't want to come off sounding like a dick, but please don't quote the original post when responding.

stoxtrader · #7 11-02-2005, 03:19 PM

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without reads on MP and CO, your PF play is bad.

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I know, which is why i mentioned that the MP was limping every hand and the CO was liberally isolating him [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (like any ace, any pair 44+, any two cards 9 and over) Guess it wasnt clear in the OP. Given that info, what do you think?

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definitely my fault. I look for the numbers. silly I know.

I still dont like it. but i completely own that lame first post as moranic

ggbman · #8 11-02-2005, 03:20 PM

IMO this was the first mistake, 3 betting was better here than CC'ing.

DpR · #9 11-02-2005, 04:50 PM

Your river fold doesnt make any sense given your preflop action. While I agree that you are usually behind after the turn c/r, KQ, KJ, a tricky 88 are possible (in decending order or likelyhood) enough to make the river call.

I also never call a rasier with KQo preflop. IMO, that is a really bad hand in this situation. I would fold preflop, but call the river.

DeathDonkey · #10 11-02-2005, 05:04 PM

CO may be "decent" but he's not "super freaking good" based just on his flop play. If he has you beat he should 3 bet there. No way can I fold this river. And yeah I 3 bet preflop.

-DeathDonkey