Aces checkraised twice? 2/4

[ClaytonN]

3rd hand of table. Play the turn harder? Any other comments regarding the hand?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

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i gotta play that turn stronger.

Cap the turn.

[Spicymoose]

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i gotta play that turn stronger.

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Why? What do you put opponent on? It seems like he could easily have 78, 99, 69, K9. If he is bluffing you, he will fold to a 3-bet. It is best to let him bluff again on the river.

[smb394]

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i gotta play that turn stronger.

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Why? What do you put opponent on? It seems like he could easily have 78, 99, 69, K9. If he is bluffing you, he will fold to a 3-bet. It is best to let him bluff again on the river.

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This is somewhat tough w/o reads.

But the only plausible hands on the turn we're behind are 66, 55, 99,

Obviously behind K9 (if he sucks)

Hands we're ahead of and are likely: KQ, KJ, K10, K-rag

We also beat poorly played underpairs.

I 3bet this turn w/o reads. I think we're up against top pair often enough here.

[Spicymoose]

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But the only plausible hands on the turn we're behind are 66, 55, 99

Obviously behind K9 (if he sucks)


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Why isn't 78s plausable? And K9s as well.

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Hands we're ahead of and are likely: KQ, KJ, K10, K-rag


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KQ probably would have raise preflo. KJ might have, making it less likely. The others are definetly possible.

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We also beat poorly played underpairs.


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Underpairs will fold to a 3-bet. If we just call however, we will get them to bet the river quite often.

The only hands I think we should 3-bet against are the Kx hands, yet there are far more other hands our opponent could have.

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I 3-bet the turn and call down future bets.

[smb394]

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Why isn't 78s plausable? And K9s as well.

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I don't think many players open limp 78 or K9.

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KQ probably would have raise preflo. KJ might have, making it less likely. The others are definetly possible.

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KQ should raise PF, but often doesn't at this game. I think KJ is very likely here.

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Underpairs will fold to a 3-bet. If we just call however, we will get them to bet the river quite often.


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Yeah, I actually agree on this...not sure why i put it in there.

[Spicymoose]

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I 3-bet the turn and call down future bets.

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Can someone please explain the reasoning here? The times we are behind, our decision to 3-bet usually costs us 2 extra BB. When we are ahead, our decision to 3-bet often gainst us 1 BB (against a Kx), but also sometimes loses us 1 BB (if we are against an underpair who will bluff the river). When we are behind, we usually have 0 or 2 outs (sometimes 8 if we are against K9), and when we are ahead, our opponent has 5 outs.

It seems everyone wants to 3-bet, but I still don't quite get it.

[ClaytonN]

Yes, could someone please elaborate on why 3betting the turn is more optimal here against an unknown?

results below btw...
<font color="white">he had As4s. mhig. </font>