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Old 12-14-2005, 08:22 PM
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Default Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop

Bet.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop

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I bet.
I will try for a fcp. I want to get to a showdown on this hand.

If I get c/r here, I call and fold the turn UI.

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I don't think you've got odds to call the check-raise to chase things.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:47 PM
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Default Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop

this is a good example of the value-bet/fold-to-a-raise.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:34 PM
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I see no reason why you can't bet this flop. It could appear to be a steal attempt to him, you already have a hand. He might be on some small suited cards (hopefully not hearts.) Anyways you have 2 backdoor draws, possible re-draw if he has hearts and you should probably bet this.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:09 AM
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heads up w/ JJ you gotta bet this flop. w/out any reads I would probably fold to a c/r and check/call the turn UI. by this point you'd probably have a good idea of where you stand...
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Old 12-15-2005, 06:21 AM
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Default Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop

Grunch: Since BB's calling range preflop is huge you can't really put him on a hand, except maybe that he doesn't have a monster. I think you either way behind or ahead. A play I been thinking about when I have position (as you do here) is to bet/raise the flop. If bet into again on the turn, I fold UI, if not I bet again for a free SD. If BB likes to bluff, you can check through on the turn and call the river instead. Anyway, we probably get to SD for 1,5 BB more and the pot will then be 5 BB. I really think you are good more than 30% of the time here, so this play should make sense?
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Old 12-15-2005, 06:26 AM
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Default Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop

*grunch*
Bets. If he check-raises you can pretty much fold here. If he calls bet the turn and check behind on the river. If he shows aggression I'd fold.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:53 AM
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Default Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop

Bet the flop--you will have to fold to a raise, though, as long as you don't think this is a bluff (which it's probably not). If you're called, bet the turn. If your raised on the turn, fold. Check the river.
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Old 12-15-2005, 08:52 AM
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Default Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop

Don't I have enough outs here to justify calling the C/R and seeing how I like the Turn? As I look at how I played the hand, I think that folding to the C/R was a mistake. The pot was relatively small, so I don't think it was huge, but it was a mistake nonetheless.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop

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Flop: (4.50 SB) Q, A, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ????



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Bets. Find out where you stand. He may have played any ace or any two suited cards. Bet and decide from his response what to do.
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