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Old 11-08-2005, 10:49 AM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
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Default Folding when knowing im 2nd best (lc)

Played a hand at Party a few days ago. Its from memory.

I had played with villian for 4 hours or so and he was the best kind of opponent you can get. Extremely loose, extremely passive. When he had something very good he had every time made a bet of about 1/2 pot. Not once during the section had he raised any-one without the nuts or close to it.

He once called me down with K2 for his whole stack of 550 on the board KJxxx when I held three jacks.


Villian had $295 when this hand started and I had him covered.

6-handed NL400

Villian calls UTG, 2 folds. I make it 20 on the button with AK.

Flop: K 8 3 r
Villian checks, Hero bets 45, Villian calls

Turn: 8
Villian checks, Hero $100, Villian makes it $200.

He had 30 left after his raise and I thought for a few seconds and pushed and he insta-called.

River blanked and he scooped the pot with A8.


In this hand I had a good hand, but knew to 99% I was beat, and pushed anyway. It felt just like I was just giving away $130 of my bankroll.

Do you guys have any tricks to just muck in situations like these, even if you have a great hand and its pretty inexpensive to take a showdown?
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:58 AM
djoyce003 djoyce003 is offline
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Default Re: Folding when knowing im 2nd best (lc)

I don't have any "tricks" per se....but when you are playing against LP's that never raise, and you get raised, fold...it's that simple. I take notes of stuff like this and buddy list these guys...super easy to play against. My note looks exactly like this "if this guy raises, fold"

follow those instructions...you aren't going to catch players like this in big bluffs because they don't make them...or they make them so infrequently that calling is never +ev.
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:46 PM
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#bump#
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: Folding when knowing im 2nd best (lc)

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#bump#

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why are you bumping a low content post?

obviously there is content here, your title is a misnomer.

in your hand, id rather call turn and get all in on the river, rather then push, if you cant find a fold. no need to chase away Kx or Xx (bluff)
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: Folding when knowing im 2nd best (lc)

Folding what was a strong best hand on the flop but no longer is on the turn or river is one of the hardest things in poker to do.
It is frustrating that he hit his 2 outer on the turn. However, if you were 99% sure as you say then you have to follow your instinct. If you were less sure then ya it is only 130$ more, but you seemed to have a good read on the hand, trust your reads when they are that strong.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:03 PM
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He had 30 left in his stack so the all-in or call doesnt matter much [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:05 PM
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He had 30 left in his stack so the all-in or call doesnt matter much [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Old 11-08-2005, 05:09 PM
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I pulled something like this last week, but I had the second-best flush vs. the nut flush against an equally good read. I think 1 pair is much easier to lay down in your situation. My rule is default a fold with one pair or less when shown strength w/o a read otherwise. Typically it is the same with mid two-pair or trips (not sets). When it comes to sets/boats, straights, and flushes, then it becomes much harder to make these laydowns. When the dollar value is less significant, I'm more likely to call with second-bests.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: Folding when knowing im 2nd best (lc)

About the bumping i thought it was:

NC (no content)
LC (low content, like this one) - Content but might be of very much interest for the population.
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