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Old 11-18-2005, 08:33 AM
hmkpoker hmkpoker is offline
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Default A bizarre twist on morality (abortion)

Premise 1: Christianity is true, and God, Heaven, Hell and Jesus are real.
Premise 2: Moral is the action that does the most good at the cost of the least bad.
Premise 3: Aborted or miscarried children go to Heaven (this seems to be popular consensus)

A certain woman understands these premises. One day, she has an accidental pregnancy. She is very worried about the fact that there is a good chance that her child will not choose Christ (note that most people in this world are non-Christian). She aborts the child and it goes to Heaven.

She then decides to have a series of pregnancies, and abort each one. Each time, a new soul goes to Heaven. She continues doing this, under the belief that what she is doing is in the best interest of the unborn child (after all, Heaven is infinitely better than Earth.)

Is there anything wrong with this action?
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:37 AM
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hiya hmkpoker,

If your premises are true, of course not.

From my viewpoint each one of them is wrong, so no conclusion is possible.
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:40 AM
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Only thing I can see wrong with it (following the premises you have outlined) is that she might get put in a position where she can't abort it.

What your twist boils down to is that having children is immoral if you follow a christian belief: as conceiving and giving birth to children increases their chance of going to hell infinitely (if they hadn't been conceived they couldn't go to hell), having children is therefore immoral.
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Old 11-18-2005, 09:24 AM
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Premise #1 and Premise #2 are incompatible.
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: A bizarre twist on morality (abortion)

hmmm...

Debatable, but also superfluous. I'll drop #2 and fix it.
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:14 AM
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The reason for this is because if #1 is true than morality is defined as the church or the bible defines it. IE 10 commandments.
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:15 AM
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Default Re: A bizarre twist on morality (abortion)

Bloody hell, how do you edit these things?
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:21 AM
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Default EDITED!!!! Please read this

I've tried to edit this, but as it's been longer than .5 hours I cannot. Premise 2 is unnecessary, only consider premises 1 and 3 in your responses.

Thank you
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Old 11-18-2005, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: A bizarre twist on morality (abortion)

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Premise 3: Aborted or miscarried children go to Heaven (this seems to be popular consensus)

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Perhaps you confused dead fetuses with dogs. It's the dogs that all go to heaven.

Don't catholics believe in original sin, i.e everyone starts off a sinner, and you ahve to spend your whole life repenting?
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Old 11-18-2005, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: A bizarre twist on morality (abortion)

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Premise 3: Aborted or miscarried children go to Heaven (this seems to be popular consensus)

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Perhaps you confused dead fetuses with dogs. It's the dogs that all go to heaven.

Don't catholics believe in original sin, i.e everyone starts off a sinner, and you ahve to spend your whole life repenting?

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I'm a catholic and Ive always been taught this. You cant get into heaven without being baptised (forgiven for original sin)
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