Does the value of position change throughout the tournament?

not only that but does the value of position do a 180 at certain times in tournament? where UTG becomes more valuable than button? I am not sure whethere this have been discussed in poker theory or in this forum before but I can't find it...

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not only that but does the value of position do a 180 at certain times in tournament? where UTG becomes more valuable than button? I am not sure whethere this have been discussed in poker theory or in this forum before but I can't find it...

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your missing the point that every time you lead out, you are not guaranteed to take the pot down and you are now building a pot. Are you firing again at the turn? Being first to act, is not an advantatge and does not guarantee a fold from the other player it only guarantees that you are building a pot, so that the percentage of times that you win a small pot of blinds and antes does not offset the times that you lose a bigger part of your stack. Being in position guarantees that you get to see what your opponents actions are first and to act accordingly. Those that are good at post flop play can even take it away from you even when you do fire out after the flop.

I think you miss understood what I am saying...I am talking about times where there's just about no postflop play....first to the pot has 80-90%of taking down pots...especially when it gets shorthanded of 7-8 or even less players......because other players risk getting busted or crippled if they cal you...and the gap concept still applies perhaps in a much looser fashion....this mostly concerns preflop pushes or preflop raise and all in on flop....discretion is obviously a huge factor...but I was just wonder whether UTG or early positions become much more valuable in final stages of the tournament....

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I think you miss understood what I am saying...I am talking about times where there's just about no postflop play....first to the pot has 80-90%of taking down pots...especially when it gets shorthanded of 7-8 or even less players......because other players risk getting busted or crippled if they cal you...and the gap concept still applies perhaps in a much looser fashion....this mostly concerns preflop pushes or preflop raise and all in on flop....discretion is obviously a huge factor...but I was just wonder whether UTG or early positions become much more valuable in final stages of the tournament....

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i think what your saying here is not necessarily UTG becomes more important, but AGGRESSION becomes more important. Again, aggression is high risk/high reward. I am not totally discounting your point, because it does give us reason to think it through, but I still think that there is no getting past high risk/high reward. The times that you are first in (push or not) after the flop only nets you a small pot when you win and loses you even more (like your whole stack) when you lose. This can mean the difference between you placing first or 27th. I agree that aggression has merit, but I think you can be aggressive from any position not just UTG. You also have to realize that you can only do this so many times before someone will use it against you for your tournament life.

Position after the flop becomes less important late in a tournament because usually players are all-in pre-flop or must either push or fold the flop. However, blind stealing becomes more important at this stage of the tournament, which means that position before the flop is more important. You can steal or even raise for value on the CO or button, when you must only convince 2-3 more players to fold, with hands that you would have to mucK under the gun, when there are 8-9 players who could wake up with a big hand behind you. Position becomes less about outplaying your opponents and more about game theory and recognizing steal opportunities.

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Position after the flop becomes less important late in a tournament because usually players are all-in pre-flop or must either push or fold the flop. However, blind stealing becomes more important at this stage of the tournament, which means that position before the flop is more important. You can steal or even raise for value on the CO or button, when you must only convince 2-3 more players to fold, with hands that you would have to mucK under the gun, when there are 8-9 players who could wake up with a big hand behind you. Position becomes less about outplaying your opponents and more about game theory and recognizing steal opportunities.

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good point.

you say "Position after the flop becomes less important late in a tournament because usually players are all-in pre-flop or must either push or fold the flop".

All in preflop is more true of the last 2 or 3 tables (much of which is short handed anyway), but not so much before then. Very good points though.

i think i should have clarified this a bit....when this phenomenon begins to occur, the tables are fairly shorthanded....obviously at a full table...it's much harder...more bullets to dodge...

I say last 2-3 tables, and especially final table...based on relative blinds/stack ratios in online play...