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Old 11-06-2005, 08:58 AM
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Default 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP3 (t455)
CO (t815)
Button (t775)
SB (t1380)
BB (t655)
UTG (t770)
UTG+1 (t500)
UTG+2 (t755)
Hero (t620)
MP2 (t1275)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold</font>, Hero raises to t50</font>, MP2 calls t50, 4 folds</font>, BB calls t35, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: (t172.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t172.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

River: (t172.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: t172.50

Anyone here lead out with a cb, possibly delayed until the turn?
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

Ehh. I usually don't like to CB against 2 opponents unless I'm very sure that they will fold. I'd say a half pot CB on either the flop or the turn is acceptable. Checking down is also acceptable.
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

Just fold preflop.
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

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Just fold preflop.

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I think you're way too tight, man. AQ is playable from any position unless you're facing a raise. It may be a difficult hand to play, but it's definately +EV to play it.
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:34 AM
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Default Re: 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

I probably would have bet a little more pre-flop. 75 sounds about right to me. Also, this may have narrowed you down to one caller making a CB bet on the flop more liely to succeed.

I would have CB on the flop into two opponents (but keep in mind I'm an agressive player). The check here works as well.

I definitely would have CB the turn though.
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:37 AM
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Default Re: 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

I've heard the idea of folding AQo preflop before, but it just seems too tight to me. For those of you with an adequate data set, is it + or - EV for you?

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Old 11-06-2005, 09:38 AM
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Default Re: 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

I would limp pf from early MP, AQo is nasty to play OOP on the flop.

Folding doesn't even enter my mind.
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:39 AM
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Default Re: 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

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Just fold preflop.

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I think you're way too tight, man. AQ is playable from any position unless you're facing a raise. It may be a difficult hand to play, but it's definately +EV to play it.

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With no reads, crappy position and not that many chips, in a 22, AQo is disgusting at this level of the tournament.
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:40 AM
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Default Re: 22 - AQo Level 1 missed flop

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I've heard the idea of folding AQo preflop before, but it just seems too tight to me. For those of you with an adequate data set, is it + or - EV for you?

Doc

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I look at it this way. If he had a hand better than AQ, he would have raised unless he has a middle pair. Which means when you contination bet on the flop with overs to his MP, he has some serious thinking to do.

Folding AQ here is way too tight.
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Old 11-06-2005, 10:22 AM
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Full table with level one blinds I am chucking this
pre flop.

Different table dynamics then I am making a play.
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