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Old 06-23-2005, 02:45 AM
DavidC DavidC is offline
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Default TPGK, standard?

(Preflop is a bit questionable. As I made the raise I thought to myself, "It's a position raise." [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'm curious about the rest of the hand though (written after first response to thread)...)


Villains are all unknown after 6 hands. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, SB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

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Old 06-23-2005, 02:46 AM
aK13 aK13 is offline
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

Looks ok.

A better play *might* be to just check preflop, and set up a check/raise if you flop top pair, since there are tons of people, and they might get odds on every street to outdraw you with gutshots and such.
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Old 06-23-2005, 02:50 AM
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

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Looks ok.

A better play *might* be to just check preflop, and set up a check/raise if you flop top pair, since there are tons of people, and they might get odds on every street to outdraw you with gutshots and such.

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Yeah, you're right. Checking and raising here run pretty close in value, I'd imagine.
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Old 06-23-2005, 02:51 AM
therockofgibraltar therockofgibraltar is offline
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

I am with Ak13 on this one. I think you should just check pf and go for a c/r on the flop.

Other than that, looks good.
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Old 06-23-2005, 02:52 AM
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

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Looks ok.

A better play *might* be to just check preflop, and set up a check/raise if you flop top pair, since there are tons of people, and they might get odds on every street to outdraw you with gutshots and such.

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Yeah, you're right. Checking and raising here run pretty close in value, I'd imagine.

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Yeah, I think this play is courtesy of HEPFAP. If I was actually playing, though, I probably would have played the same way you did -- it's become so automatic -_-.
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Old 06-23-2005, 02:53 AM
Vote4Pedro Vote4Pedro is offline
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

I'm raising KQs in this situation, but just checking KQo...other then that your line is standard
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Old 06-23-2005, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

I would check preflop, and I would just bet out as you did. You don't have any idea where a bet is coming from. You've got quite a reasonably equity edge on this board, and I would just push it. The only reasonable draw is the flush draw and you can't get them out. A gutshot may be out (45, 56), but I think that the risks of missing all those bets are too high here.
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Old 06-23-2005, 08:38 AM
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

I play it exactly the same.
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Old 06-23-2005, 08:39 AM
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

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A better play *might* be to just check preflop, and set up a check/raise if you flop top pair

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Anyone who checks top pair on the flop here is not playing good poker.
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Old 06-23-2005, 08:40 AM
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Default Re: TPGK, standard?

I don't like trying to check raise this hand when you don't know where the bet is going to come from. If it comes from your immediate left, the whole field will call one bet, then another when you raise, which totally defeats the purpose of the check raise. Also, there is the (somewhat remote) possibility that it will get checked through. And that would suck.
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