The Pats do not "own" Peyton Manning. - Page 3

Toro · #1 11-04-2005, 05:07 PM

You're just looking at overall stats which are telling a lie. In just about every game against the Pats it's come down to a few big plays and on these big game deciding plays the Pats have "owned" Manning.

Monday night should be very interesting. It looks like there is no way the Pats should win this game. But if somehow they do find a way to win, Indy and Manning will have to go away thinking that they just can't beat NE. This is a very big game for Manning/Indy.

PhatTBoll · #2 11-04-2005, 08:35 PM

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You're just looking at overall stats which are telling a lie. In just about every game against the Pats it's come down to a few big plays and on these big game deciding plays the Pats have "owned" Manning.

Monday night should be very interesting. It looks like there is no way the Pats should win this game. But if somehow they do find a way to win, Indy and Manning will have to go away thinking that they just can't beat NE. This is a very big game for Manning/Indy.

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This game is much bigger for the Pats.

If Indy loses they are still in control in the AFC, while if the Pats lose, they best they can realistically hope for is a 3 seed ( but no worse than a 4, because the rest of the AFCE is pathetic). In that case, they'd be playing the Colts in the Dome, which would immediately become the biggest game in the history of that place. Completely different atmosphere than 25 degrees at Foxboro, and much easier for Manning, Edge, and Marvin to work their magic.

Toro · #3 11-04-2005, 08:41 PM

Win or lose this game, the Pats are going to win the AFC East and be the 3 seed, that's it. No one expects the Pats to win this game, maybe not even them. No, this game is huge for Indy. Psychologically it is very very important that they collectively and Manning individually prove to themselves/himself that they can beat the Pats.

PhatTBoll · #4 11-04-2005, 08:55 PM

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Win or lose this game, the Pats are going to win the AFC East and be the 3 seed, that's it. No one expects the Pats to win this game, maybe not even them. No, this game is huge for Indy. Psychologically it is very very important that they collectively and Manning individually prove to themselves/himself that they can beat the Pats.

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This is the kind of thing that sportswriters write and people repeat like it's fact. I doubt Manning will be moping and calling this season a lost cause if they lose Monday. And as much as I would love them to crush NE, the Colts likely won't have to beat the Pats in Foxboro to go to the Superbowl this year. Like I said before, huge difference.

And incidentally, is it Pittsburgh or Denver you're expecting the Pats to beat out for the 3?

Toro · #5 11-04-2005, 10:19 PM

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Win or lose this game, the Pats are going to win the AFC East and be the 3 seed, that's it. No one expects the Pats to win this game, maybe not even them. No, this game is huge for Indy. Psychologically it is very very important that they collectively and Manning individually prove to themselves/himself that they can beat the Pats.

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This is the kind of thing that sportswriters write and people repeat like it's fact. I doubt Manning will be moping and calling this season a lost cause if they lose Monday. And as much as I would love them to crush NE, the Colts likely won't have to beat the Pats in Foxboro to go to the Superbowl this year. Like I said before, huge difference.

And incidentally, is it Pittsburgh or Denver you're expecting the Pats to beat out for the 3?

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If you follow this forum you have to know one thing and that is I'm an original thinker. For example:

1. Predicted Shilling would be Sox closer(everyone scoffed)
2. Predicted ortiz would win MVP(everyone scoffed)
3. Predicted Cleveland Indians would collapse and miss playoffs(everyone scoffed)

Believe this: If Indy loses, it will be in Mannings head if it is not already.

Edit: 3 seed is the highest I think the Pats can get. 4 seed is more likely. I'm a big fan but there are just too many holes this year.

BadBoyBenny · #6 11-04-2005, 09:39 PM

Yeah, the Pat's are going to go into this game with the attitude that's won the 3 of 4 championsips.

"We expect to lose this game"

Jack of Arcades · #7 11-06-2005, 05:52 PM

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You're just looking at overall stats which are telling a lie. In just about every game against the Pats it's come down to a few big plays and on these big game deciding plays the Pats have "owned" Manning.

Monday night should be very interesting. It looks like there is no way the Pats should win this game. But if somehow they do find a way to win, Indy and Manning will have to go away thinking that they just can't beat NE. This is a very big game for Manning/Indy.

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No, actually *you're* looking at overall stats. *I'm* looking at play-by-play stats. However, it's a bit unweildy to show it to you.

Jeff W · #8 11-04-2005, 07:49 PM

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Let's look at the stats.

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Okay, Manning averaged 6 yards per attempt or better in only one of the four games you listed.

BadBoyBenny · #9 11-04-2005, 07:58 PM

If Manning is going to get credit for his ability to audible into the right play at the line, he also has to own up some when the playcalling sucks.

My guess is that Manning could not read pre snap whether the safeties were going to play pass or run and that has killed them. Maybe it would be better to say that Crennel\Belichek\Mangini own Manning.

McGahee · #10 11-05-2005, 01:15 AM

The ironic twist to this game is that it is effectively meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Look at the divisions of these teams and their remaining schedules.
The Colts will be the #1 seed and the Pats will be the #4 seed in the playoffs regardless of the outcome. The Colts do not "have to" win this game.