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11-12-2005, 11:21 PM
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Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
I have noticed a lot on the 2005 WSOP coverage that he is dark checking a lot on the flop. Not just in the main event, either.
This seems to be a dumb play. Yes you can get lucky with the flop and not give out any info until after your opponent acts. However, most new players are not up on reading people and Phil should be able to hide his emotions when checking. What happens when he has 10 10 and dark checks, then the flop comes 4-5-6 with 2 to a flush? That could be dangerous for his hand. Just curious if anyone else has noticed this. I have done it in some NL cash games and small tournaments, but only in very special circumstances. P.S.--For someone that thinks he is one of the best players in the world, a lot of the other pros don't agree. I was reading Daniel N's blog about a week ago and he was talking about being really excited to play in a live gave with Phil. Kind of like I am really happy to play against a couple guys that just started playing. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] 
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#2
11-12-2005, 11:50 PM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
Danny N was excited to play in a cash game. I really doubt Danny would want Phil at his table in a NLHE Tournament.
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#3
11-12-2005, 11:54 PM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
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Danny N was excited to play in a cash game. I really doubt Danny would want Phil at his table in a NLHE Tournament. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, you are so smart. If he is so bad at cash games, he must be dangerous in tournaments.
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#4
11-13-2005, 04:05 AM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
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[ QUOTE ] Danny N was excited to play in a cash game. I really doubt Danny would want Phil at his table in a NLHE Tournament. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, you are so smart. If he is so bad at cash games, he must be dangerous in tournaments. [/ QUOTE ] Link Barry Greenstein rated Phil as a 3 of 10 in side games. Not sure how much credit you can give that. [ QUOTE ] He feels he has enough technical skill to win at higher limits, but when he has tried in the past, he often gotten derailed by his lack of self-control. [/ QUOTE ]
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#5
11-13-2005, 07:18 AM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
if you want to beat him in a cash game, you have to get out of the kiddy pool and start making some moves!
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#6
11-13-2005, 08:14 AM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
I think he does it because he seems to believe that everyone wants to take him down. So in a sense he's alowing you to "trap" yourself by overplayign a hand against him when he is sitting on a big hand?
Either that or he lets his "ESP super reading powers" make to correct post flop decision?
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#7
11-13-2005, 03:36 PM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
I love Barry's stories.
[ QUOTE ] I first played with Phil in a no-limit side game in Los Angeles in 1992. I didn’t pay attention to tournament poker back then, but I had heard that he was a cocky kid who had won a big tournament. He was playing fast and loose and showing his hands and needling people whenever he outplayed them. Well, I was pretty cocky too. Phil opened for a raise, I reraised and Phil called. After the flop, I bet, Phil raised and I reraised him all-in. He thought for a while, showed me top pair and then folded. I showed him Deuce-Three offsuit which bore no relation to the flop. Phil stood up and said, “Nice play buddy, but that’s the stupidest thing you’ve ever done. Do you realize that giving me that kind of information is going to cost you all of your money? It’s because of players like you that I make millions of dollars a year playing poker.” [/ QUOTE ]
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#8
11-13-2005, 04:48 AM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
You understand that there are different skill sets for tournaments and cash games, right? Doyle Brunson would probably arm wrestle a Crododile for a shot at Stu Ungar in a cash game, but I doubt he wanted to sit next to him at a tourney.
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#9
11-13-2005, 06:07 AM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
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You understand that there are different skill sets for tournaments and cash games, right? Doyle Brunson would probably arm wrestle a Crododile for a shot at Stu Ungar in a cash game, but I doubt he wanted to sit next to him at a tourney. [/ QUOTE ] You're overstating the difference quite a bit here.
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#10
11-13-2005, 10:39 PM
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Re: Why is Hellmuth checking in the dark?
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You're overstating the difference quite a bit here. [/ QUOTE ] I was countering Beavis's assertion that Hellmuth can't be a bad cash game player and also a good tourney player. Brunson's edge over Ungar in a cash game might've not've been all that large, but it was there. Tourney's are a whole different story. Of course, it's possible that Doyle still has the edge when he's sitting at the same table with Ungar in a tournament, but Ungar probably had a better overall edge against the field.
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