Can I find a fold with AA

#1 10-03-2005, 11:23 PM

UTG+2 is a little on the loose side but hasn't shown down anything out of the ordinary and rarely has gotten to far out of line. Only the second hand with SB.
I have been playing fairly tight but this is third hand in a row I have raised Preflop.

I always find it hard to lays these down. Is there a point where I need to get off them?

Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 1 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (18.00 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB raises, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (30.00 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

MyTurn2Raise · #2 10-03-2005, 11:29 PM

I'm definitely out when the BB check-raised the turn. While, I'm normally hesitant to give up aces in big pots, the BB just checkraised a guy that 3-bet the flop and led out the turn and another player, you, who capped the flop. Save the big bets and live to fight another battle.

hobbsmann · #3 10-03-2005, 11:34 PM

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I'm definitely out when the BB check-raised the turn. While, I'm normally hesitant to give up aces in big pots, the BB just checkraised a guy that 3-bet the flop and led out the turn and another player, you, who capped the flop. Save the big bets and live to fight another battle.

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Getting 27:1 I call strictly for set outs

MyTurn2Raise · #4 10-03-2005, 11:48 PM

I don't think I'd call for the 2 aces for a set...they are no clean outs. It's possible someone already has a straight. It's also quite likely that the ace of hearts will give someone a flush based on the number of callers.

You have no clean outs.
In my mind, it's 50/50 that a straight is already out there. I think there is at least a 1/3 chance that the Ace of hearts gives someone a flush. So, I think it's a draw to less than 1 out for pot odds calculations.

paperboyNC · #5 10-04-2005, 12:36 AM

The river is actually a good card for you. I think you'd be much more likely to go on tilt if you folded a winner here then if you pay 2BB to see if you're good.

The river beats K6, K8, 86. UTG+2 could be overplaying AK or he could have a set (boat on the river).

Harv72b · #6 10-04-2005, 12:49 AM

I'm not folding AA here unless BB is the most passive player evah. And I think that 50/50 is greatly overstating the possibility of a made straight with T7/75.

And btw, given the pot size & the number of players in the hand, BB would be completely justified in check/raising the turn with nothing more than the nut flush draw.

#7 10-04-2005, 12:58 AM

I actually slightly discounted the straight possibility for some strange reason. I was more worried about MP player going crazy on the flop the turn check raise took me totally by surprise. Even coming from BB it was hard to put him on something like 5 7 or 10 7. I figured him for a K

alul · #8 10-04-2005, 01:59 AM

You will try to bite your elbow after you fold and they show down something like K8, KQ or KJ.

#9 10-04-2005, 11:42 AM

call just because of the pot odds. and this is precisely why i dont like small limit. too many limpers, loose/passives that river u or what not, and of course no respect to raises.

#10 10-04-2005, 11:46 AM

I called down and UTG+2 showed T9o for rivered trips and SB showed K8o for a lesser 2 pair. I was actually hping for the board to pair figuring that UTG+2 was over pushing KQ or KJ figured one of the blinds on a draw and one for 2 pair. Well I was close anyway [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]