Value call with the nuts here?

[mak1277]

Live $1/$2 blind NL with deep stacks (entire table over $200). If this needs to be in the small stakes forum, I apologize, but the hand is haunting me.

I have ~$230 on the button. Preflop raiser has $250 in MP and opens for $15 (standard raise at the table). Cut-off (villain) calls. I have 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and I call for a variety of reasons (preflop raiser is on tilt, for one).

Flop comes 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] . Preflop raiser leads out for $25, Villain smooth calls and I smooth call, getting an excellent price at this point.

Turn is my money card, 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] giving me the nuts. Preflop raiser bets $60, villain smooth calls again and I raise all-in for another $115 or so. As I expect, the preflop raiser calls all-in as well. Villain thinks for a moment and calls also.

Preflop raiser has A-4 (sucker straight) and villain has A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Naturally, a heart hits the river and I lose a very large pot.

My question is this. Knowing the preflop raiser would call my all-in, should I have simply smooth-called with the nuts on the turn, and possibly saved my stack if the river did make a 3-flush? At the time, I thought that it was at least a 75% chance that one of them was drawing at the flush. The villain certainly made the correct call at the end, since he was getting at least 5-1 to make his nut flush.

If I smooth call, rather than raising, I could get away from the hand on the river. How do you evaluate the Fundamental Theorem in this situation where both players make the proper play?

Thanks for the help.

[TrailofTears]

Smooth-calling would have been terrible there, also for a variety of reasons, including suckouts, scare cards for you, and also scare cards for villain(s). Nice re-raise; crappy luck.

-T

[BadgerPro]

I guessing nut flush draw would not fold. You want to get his chips in there now. Cause your not going to get any on the river.

[mak1277]

Yep, you're absolutely right and it's obvious to me now that I read it. I absolutely will not get more chips if he misses the draw. Basically, calling rather than pushing would definitely be -EV.

Duh! Thanks

[thabadguy]

Wrong forum

[etizzle]

yeah this should be in the bad beat forum

[freemoney]

fold the turn.

[Rockatansky]

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fold the turn.

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nh