Thoughts on line taken?

Tom Martell · #1 12-08-2005, 11:50 AM

No read yet on villain.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls.

River: (9.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

jackdaniels · #2 12-08-2005, 12:10 PM

You want to raise the flop here. On an uncoordinated board you may wanna wait till the turm to raise. Here, with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and 3 str. cards, you have to apply pressure as soon as possible.

jskills · #3 12-08-2005, 12:13 PM

I like raising the flop and playing it faster when the flop is 2 flushed. The line you took is one I'd take on a safer flop.

Looks like he made a runner runner [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] flush on you somehow?

AJ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ?

#4 12-08-2005, 12:20 PM

I raise the flop here with the board giving so many draws. There are a number of turn cards that can be bad for your hand, so you want to put as much pressure on as possible right away. On the river, I just call that bet. If it's checked to me, I bet and call a check-raise. But I don't like his bet there with the 3rd spade on the board. He may be just betting a 2-pair he thinks is good, but getting 3-bet here with this board is not fun. Anyone else have any thoughts on this river?

#5 12-08-2005, 01:51 PM

The only question here is the raise on the river. You raised the turn correctly hoping to penalize someone with a four flush. When the spade falls on the end, I would have flat called

Tom Martell · #6 12-08-2005, 04:54 PM

I disagree with the flop - I think the check is fine, as you aren't pricing his draw out here. However, if it doesnt hit on the turn you can make chasing incorrect.

The river I'm not sure on. I put him on AK or KQ, which might lead the river and call the raise. Dunno.

Tom Martell · #7 12-08-2005, 04:55 PM

Yep.

Tom Martell · #8 12-08-2005, 04:58 PM

Raising the flop does nothing. There are 4.5 big bets in the pot, raising here does not protect. And you get more value out of raising the turn since this flop hit most 3-betting preflop hands.

When there is more than 1 player in there, then the flop raise to thin the field seems better.

oxymoron · #9 12-08-2005, 05:31 PM

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Raising the flop does nothing. There are 4.5 big bets in the pot, raising here does not protect. And you get more value out of raising the turn since this flop hit most 3-betting preflop hands.

When there is more than 1 player in there, then the flop raise to thin the field seems better.

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I raise this flop and not for protection but for value. This is the type of board that the other player probably hit and you still have outs to a FH if he has the straight or flush. If another scare card hits I might change tempos but on this board I am raising the flop.

#10 12-08-2005, 05:51 PM

I would have raised post flop. Normally I would slow down with trips, but with two clubs on board, I would want to make him pay if he's drawing to the flush (or straight in this case). River raise is pretty macho. I think given the three spades on the borad, I would have just called. As always, remember, I suck. Take it for what it's worth.