Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.

[schwza]

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I think making it 500 sets you up to be outplayed.

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how? im in pos for the rest of a hand, and im a much better player than him.

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Not much room to be a better player than him when your stack is not much bigger than the pot. Are you pushing any flop that gets checked to you?

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hero will have 2000 with 1000 in the pot if he makes it 500. there's space there.

incidentally, how big would your stack (and SB's) have to be before you didn't push? 3000? 3500?

May seem weak, but I would rather just see the cheap flop with position. What do you do if he re-raises you all in?

[woodguy]

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how? im in pos for the rest of a hand, and im a much better player than him.

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You each have 1 bet left in your stack given the size of the pot, and being the SB, he gets to bluff first and therefore can outplay you here.

Given these stack sizes I check so I can outplay him on later streets, raising gives you each only 1 move left after the flop.

If he checks to you on the flop you're shoving it all in unless you really nailed it (2 pair+) right?

Regards,
Woodguy

[schwza]

what? do math. 2000 stack 1000 pot. do push 2x for your cbets/probes?

[johnnybeef]

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If he checks to you on the flop you're shoving it all in unless you really nailed it (2 pair+) right?


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it mostly depends upon the texture. this particular flop came 882, and i did shove, but that is neither here nor there.

[johnnybeef]

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incidentally, how big would your stack (and SB's) have to be before you didn't push? 3000? 3500?

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im kinda confused by the ?, but i would probably open shove anything if i was less than 2000, and definately if i was less than 1600.

[durron597]

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what? do math. 2000 stack 1000 pot. do push 2x for your cbets/probes?

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The OP is wrong, beefy had 2300 preflop. And 1800 with 1000 pot is really uncomfortable.

[schwza]

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incidentally, how big would your stack (and SB's) have to be before you didn't push? 3000? 3500?

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im kinda confused by the ?, but i would probably open shove anything if i was less than 2000, and definately if i was less than 1600.

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it was directed at durron. i.e., durron, would you shove if you had 3500 and SB completed?

it also makes sense if you flip it around and ask you a simliar question - what's the lowest you'd have to have before you pushed - which is what you answered.

personally i think that framing questions like this gets much better responses than "would you push with 2500 chips?"

[durron597]

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it also makes sense if you flip it around and ask you a simliar question - what's the lowest you'd have to have before you pushed - which is what you answered.

personally i think that framing questions like this gets much better responses than "would you push with 2500 chips?"

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I would be willing to shove K4o all the way up to 2600 chips, and I would also check some of the time. I probably check 100% of the time with K4o from 2600 up to 3200, and sometimes check and sometimes make it 550-600 anything higher than 3200.

[odellthurman]

I don't like the call from the small blind. Although you say the SB isn't "terribly tricky", I would be nervous that he has a big hand and is trying to induce a push. With just over 10 times the BB, I think you should check here.