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Old 02-25-2005, 11:31 AM
X-Man X-Man is offline
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Default Would you call this bet??

STARS MTT $10 NLHE REBUYS.
BB is 200 I have reasonable stack and call a MP raise from the BB with Qc Qd flop comes out J high I check intending to check raise and raiser goes allin.This guy has been reckless all game and getting lucky.I thought it was gonna be me that he doubled through.HOW WRONG WAS I.Would you call this or wait for a better spot...ANY advice would be good.actual hand history below.
PokerStars Game #1267589216: Tournament #5472332, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/02/25 - 09:48:50 (ET)
Table '5472332 14' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: (16804 in chips)
Seat 2: (9780 in chips)
Seat 3: (11730 in chips)
Seat 4: (21936 in chips)
Seat 5: (23287 in chips)
Seat 6: (21130 in chips)
Seat 7: (27767 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO(22325 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
HERO [Qc Qd]
folds
folds
folds
folds
Villain raises 800 to 1000
folds
folds
HERO calls 800
*** FLOP *** [7s Jc 8h]
HERO: checks
Villain: bets 22287 and is all-in
HERO: calls 21325 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [7s Jc 8h] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [7s Jc 8h 5s] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [Qc Qd] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Villain shows [9d Ts] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Villain collected 44750 from pot
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:35 AM
yecul yecul is offline
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

Might want to edit out the names to protect the innocent.

I think the mistake was preflop where you called the raise. Reraise there and maybe you can take it down.

Caveat -- I'm not as good as most, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:38 AM
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

You misplayed this preflop. You have to reraise him with this preflop.

If he calls and this flop hits, you are going broke.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

Definitely reraise preflop. When he pushes on the flop, it screams, "Please Don't Call!" but he may have done it to mimic weakness, or to protect his hand.

I think in this spot, it's a pretty easy fold, because even if he had only flopped a set, you're way behind, drawing to two outs.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:58 AM
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

Two thoughts:

I agree with the others to reraise preflop. He was in a steal position, so could have many weaker hands than yours. It might be different if he was UTG. The question is - how much? I would reraise him another 3000. Like the other poster said, if he calls then you are screwed. You likely can't get away from this flop.

Did you even consider folding on the flop when it was going to cost you 21000 going after a 2100 pot, with the blinds at only 100-200? This game can be about avoiding traps and that was a doozy he put on you. Might be worth folding what you think is the better hand every once in a while.
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Old 02-25-2005, 02:24 PM
RiverDood RiverDood is offline
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

Ditto on raising pre-flop -- that's the real decision point on this hand. Also worth thinking about:

if you're in the BB, is there any flop where you're going to enjoy acting first?? Axx is a problem. Kxx is not totally a picnic. On an all-rags flop, anyone playing with a smaller pocket pair will fold to your bet unless they've got a set -- and then they'll drain you.

If you can take this down pre-flop, that's a whole lot easier.
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Old 02-25-2005, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

I agree with everyone else that it was a huge mistake not to raise preflop. Given the texture of the flop I don't think that you can call for all your chips. The flop fits people playing suited and non suited connectors plus the possibility of a set. You said it yourself that he has been playing reckless. I dont think playing connectors is reckless but it is definitely a hand someone would play, especially someone you are calling reckless.
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Old 02-25-2005, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

RERAISE PREFLOP ON THAT SORRY MO FO
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Old 02-25-2005, 04:56 PM
skoal2k4 skoal2k4 is offline
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

PF - already been covered
Flop - Bet out about 1500 or so looking to take it there. If villian raised you on flop, re-raise all-in or call his/her all-in bet. Since villian went all-in, call is good.

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Old 02-25-2005, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: Would you call this bet??

Reraise preflop, if I called and he pushed, I probably would lay it down on this flop without a flush draw on it. Sometimes you will see AJ here, but more times than not you are crushed.
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