extracting value?

[zaphod]

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actually, yeah i like this better.. forgot the pot is getting mighty large.



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Yes, i was going to say that i agreed with you at first, but then i realised that the pot was so big that i might as well push the turn.

[snappo]

you flop trip aces top kicker in a pot of $220 with $350 left. i would just be looking to get all-in, only one hand can beat you. i think you should bet the flop and bet any turn allin. pot is too big to slowplay.

[el_grande]

I don't think I've ever slowplayed trip Aces.

[soah]

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In hindsight, making another bet of $75-100 on the turn would probably be best, because as soon as I checked I realized there was still too much money left for him to call it all on the river. So, a queen came, he insta-pushed, and I donated my stack to him.

Looking back on it, he's calling $75 on the flop with around a 10% chance to win, and he'll win more than ten times that much if he hits. So I actually didn't even force him to make a mistake, assuming he wasn't going to call again on the river unimproved. So I managed to take a situation where I was a huge favorite in a $220 pot and turn it into an EV neutral situation. Absolutely terrible.

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Uh, assuming effective stacks are near 400, he can only win 550 by calling this flop bet. So not really good enough odds for him to call, but somewhat close.

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Thanks for pointing out that I'm an idiot. I somehow managed to count his own stack as part of his implied odds. Meh. I still think I donked this up real good. Pot is too big to slowplay on the turn and it's gonna be real tough (probably impossible) to get him to call off $270 or so on the river.