Tough lesson learned re: mucking after showdown in a B&M game

Playing 5-10 limit at Brantford, I had KT in LP and flopped K-K-x, T, A. It was thankfully a big pot by the river and it being my second time in a B&M, I valiantly threw my cards face up in the middle of the table for all to see. The dealer almost took them away until half the table begged for the pot to be pushed to me! Rook move...

[AKQJ10]

Ouch.

Is the 1% chance of this happening worth the value of the information you save by mucking? I would argue no, not in this game, because with five in a raised pot no one gives a damn what you're playing because they'll give action anyway. (Sounds like the Empress $5/10 hasn't changed a bit since I played there their first week last October.)

Yes, in bigger games it's good to protect information by not showing a loser. But here I'd argue it barely matters. I still muck my losers and I play loose $2/4 through $4/8 games, but I try take an extra moment to read out all possible straights or one-card flushes because I've read too many stories like this one. This story may cause me to show a few hands more when there's anything close to a straight.

Thanks for sharing this.

[bernie]

Raise the flop or turn.

Back to the point: I've done that. It does suck. That was the story where the old crag sucking a coffin nail takes a big drag then asks me in a loud, nicotine infested throaty voice, "What's the matter, don't you know how to play poker?" Wonderful entertainment for the whole table at my expense. Thank you, I do 2 shows nightly...

Friggin' bitch. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

b

btw...One thing that's really fun, is watching someone fold the hand to you as they are flashing their cards and you know they don't see that they have you beat. Yet, some on here think that's unethical and you should call his hand even though he hasn't tabled it yet.

[Onaflag]

This is somewhat related to this thread. Buddy of mine is playing another 3/6 table. I get up from my table to watch him for a minute. He's a non-posting 2+2er.

Long story short, he's got aces in the hole and nervously goes to the river in an enormous pot. There are flush and str8 draws all over this paired board. When all the villians flipped there cards over, he realized he'd won. He stood up, yelled "SHIP IT", tossed his aces on the table and watched helplessly as one of them continued to the other side of the table, up & over the rail, and onto the floor. Dead hand.

Flip and pin. After seeing that, I now carry a hammer and nails. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Onaflag..........

[TomCollins]

Tourney at the palms, old "expirienced" player mucked his hand when an opponent called "ten high" on the river of AAQQJ.

[bernie]

I saw that one time when it was set over set. Ks against Qs. Big pot as they were both jamming it. Qs tables his hand. Ks stands up and proudly spikes his hand onto the table. Except, one card caught an edge and flew off the table. This card never made itself visible to my side of the table as we just saw the backside of it. The guy nearly jumped the table to try and get it as it was in the air. He still thought he won as he was still proudly conversing with a bud while it was all worked out.

Floor was called, his hand was ruled dead, chaos ensued from the guy. God he was pissed. 2 hands later, he was a little calmed down, he gets his QQ beat by KK from the same guy who had the set of Qs. He gets up and goes to the cage, across the room. You could hear him tearing into the floorman for about 15 mins.

Table your hand.

b

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Is the 1% chance of this happening worth the value of the information you save by mucking? I would argue no, not in this game, because with five in a raised pot no one gives a damn what you're playing because they'll give action anyway. (Sounds like the Empress $5/10 hasn't changed a bit since I played there their first week last October.)

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No, it hasn't. 5-10 is decent stakes in most casinos, but at the Empress it's as fishy as a 1-2 or 2-4 game anywhere else. During the day, the retirees fill the tables, and they see flops with anything. I stopped by today for an hour over lunch and lost with sets twice to an old lady who called preflop with garbage and made straights both time. Nice enough woman. After demolishing my hard-earned set for a second time, she started telling me stories about her grandchildren, which fortunately defused my building urge to strangle her.

[Iron Tigran]

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He stood up, yelled "SHIP IT", tossed his aces on the table and watched helplessly as one of them continued to the other side of the table, up & over the rail, and onto the floor. Dead hand.

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If both Aces were face-up and one flew off, would the hand still be dead? It's pretty hard to miss it being an A, and I imagine several players would confirm...

[squeek12]

My first day at $6-12 and I pick up KK. I of course raise. Flop comes QT7, rainbow. I bet, get raised, 3-bet, then call a cap. Turn is a 2. I bet, then call a raise. River comes 7, no flushes out there. I check/call.

Villian announces two pair and flips over QT. I muck Kings up made on the river, and realize it shortly thereafter. I asked the dealer to flip up my hand and she refuses. Probably a $120 mistake, I had a hard time finishing the session. I think everyone has a story similar to ours.

[Xhad]

I witnessed this twice in one day:

-Player A: I have the flush.
-Player B: (board shows a J and IS PAIRED) Goddamn pocket Jacks. (folds without showing)