help on the turn vs scare card hitting

[Tom Martell]

both players are loose/passive - MP2 is 35/0 and MP3 is 50/0

Mostly interested in commentary on the turn/river.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (11.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Given how passive/weak MP3 is, should I give his bet more respect here? With my Q redraw on the flush I feel this raise is easy.

River: (13.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 13.16 BB

[Tom Martell]

bump...

Does everyone agree with how this hand was played?

[Buck_65]

I'd fold preflop due to domination concerns, but if you're going to play, your line looks fine until the river. This looks like an easy value bet where you can safely fold to a check-raise. A lot of worse hands will call here.

[MarkD]

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bump...

Does everyone agree with how this hand was played?

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No.

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both players are loose/passive - MP2 is 35/0 and MP3 is 50/0
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 raises


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You should fold here. You are definitely in a dominated situation if your opponents statistics are over a fair number of hands.

I think the turn raise is fine though. How I play the river is a little up in the air atm though.

edit: I didn't see that the river card was actually in the original post (I stopped reading after the OP asked his question about the turn.) I think hero should bet the river, but I don't believe the bet has a LARGE +EV, I think it is a thin value bet.

[donger]

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Given how passive/weak MP3 is, should I give his bet more respect here? With my Q redraw on the flush I feel this raise is easy.

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When a weak, passive opponent bets into you, I would say your queens are probably behind. You could be facing a) an overpair or b) a flush. This raise would be better with

A) the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] instead of the Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (You have a nutty redraw, you know your opponent can't have the nut flush. He would be hesitant to three bet you, and this probably sets up a free showdown)

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B) A set with a 10 out redraw to a full house. With the set, you're more likely to have the best hand (he could be betting with two pair), and have plenty of outs if you are behind.

I would probably just try to showdown my TPTK in this hand, as you could already be drawing dead.

<font color="red">NOTE: I'm a relative noob, so I welcome more experienced players chiming in.</font>

--donger

EDIT: I also just noticed that both players are 0% PF raise. I agree with everybody else that this is an easy fold