The Oaks Cardroom - Emeryville (Poor decision making)

[Soya]

You need to drop the rhetoric about being legally entitled to anything. California courts want nothing to do with gaming disputes. They enforce a strong public policy forbidding civil suits over gambling losses or gambling debts even when the gaming itself is legal. When you walk into a California cardroom you are risking your money without the benefit of legal protection.

[GuitarMarc]

I feel for you here. There are some low-life angle-shooters for sure who frequent the Oaks Club. Also not surprised Boomer made the ruling. He seems like the type who would rather appear like he's definite about something than actually get the rule correct and maybe have to think for a few seconds. Whenever he runs the board, he has never gotten a table change correct for me. I have literally gone up to him 30 seconds before he announces a new player to a table I requested a change to. It's happened more than once. Definitely cringe if he has to make a floor ruling.

I would pursue whatever you're doing to keep a little heat on them. They're getting a bit sloppy.

Side note: the other night they had to replace a card that had a cut in it. The dealer did this is in the middle of the hand with the card face down, telling the chip runner to bring back that specific card from another deck. I was the only one who protested that we don't know what the card was and should be shown the card (when the hand was over) before replacing it. Some Euro-trash guy actually ridiculed the request. Typical stuff. Later on that night a dealer accidently skipped my button, denied it a few times and didn't apologize. There's definitely some sloppy stuff going on at the Oaks Club.

[CripAces]

Personally I go to Cal its reason's like this why I don't like and wont play at the Oaks. Go to San Pablo for a better all around experiance.

[xniNja]

it's cool... thanks for the "luck," ... I'm at work too... My real goal or, dream, is to force card room administrations to uphold the rules as if they were the law-because they are. They get away with wrong decisions, jackpot steals, etc. because players don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I happen to be a law student; I feel its my duty to try to do something about it especially if no one else will or even cares. I'm not rich, by any measure, but $150 really doesn't mean much to me- and I can look at myself in the mirror and sleep well at night, knowing that I am doing this for the principle.

-NM

[highlife]

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it's cool... thanks for the "luck," ... I'm at work too... My real goal or, dream, is to force card room administrations to uphold the rules as if they were the law-because they are. They get away with wrong decisions, jackpot steals, etc. because players don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I happen to be a law student; I feel its my duty to try to do something about it especially if no one else will or even cares. I'm not rich, by any measure, but $150 really doesn't mean much to me- and I can look at myself in the mirror and sleep well at night, knowing that I am doing this for the principle.

-NM

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I just saw an ambulance shoot by, you better hurry. I consider this cause to be no better.

[Randy_Refeld]

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My real goal or, dream, is to force card room administrations to uphold the rules as if they were the law-because they are.

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No, they aren't law. A casino maintains the right to rule against the posted rules. In you case one random card was repalced by anotehr random card. If YOU had been paying attention YOU could have protected yourself by pointing out the incomplete bet before the next card was put up. One of two things is true, you saw it and decided not to speak up, OR you DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. If the action happened the way you described the floor should have had them put more money in the pot without redealing, but there is no credible witness to this incident.

[xniNja]

I could respond in full, but I won't. You are wrong. Anyone have anything intelligent to say?

-NM

The camera is all the credible witness I need; which the supervisor and floorman admitted my statements were technically accurate.

[Randy_Refeld]

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The camera is all the credible witness I need; which the supervisor and floorman admitted my statements were techinically accurate.

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I have never known them to go to a camera for something like this. I have known management to go take a break and come back and say they watched the tape.

SO did you decide to not speak up or did you MISS THE ACTION. You claim they admitted it happened as you claim, most lkely they said something to appease you. If you dont' want to heat my opion on this matter that is your business, but the people that post hear that work in this industry can tell you how often I am incorrect about appropiate B&M procedure.

RR

[xniNja]

You are free to say/think/believe whatever you like. I will defend to the death that I vehemently objected the decision, the supervisor claimed he viewed the incidence on camera, brought me into a small room with television displays of the various camera recordings, flat out told me that I was correct, but that he would do nothing about it. I'm telling you I made a big enough deal about it for the supervisor to pick me up after a won hand (after the incident, first i went to the board twice complaining- checking up, and was told that the supervisor was looking over it and would contact me) you all can disbelieve or judge as you like, perhaps if you are faced with a similar situation you will understand.

-NM

[Randy_Refeld]

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you all can disbelieve or judge as you like, perhaps if you are faced with a similar situation you will understand.


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I have ruled on similiar situations many times. I have known any casino anywhere in the world to allow a guest to enter survelience. The fact that you claim they allowed you to see a tape speaks volumes to your credibility.

Randy Refeld