Easy fold or Too much in pot 20 40 at borgata

[Jeffage]

I really don't get why you raise the flop here with callers inbetween. You are making it easy for the BB to clear out the field when you have a drawing hand that wants customers. In this spot, it's very likely to be reraised so you are basically charging yourself to draw.

Jeff

[chief444]

Two things:

First...realize that when a player you describe bets into 6 opponents your flop raise is getting 3-bet almost always. So there's not as much value as it seems at first...and the only way you're getting a "free card" is by capping and even then not always.

Second...I'd say BB has an ace here (either AA or AQ) a little more than half of the time. UTG+1 I'd say almost always is raising an ace. So I think you could lay it down on the river.

[onegymrat]

Hi Jeff,

Wouldn't this move be correct since there are THREE callers, as opposed to say, one caller? Or the fact that the bet is done by SB into a large field, which oozes of 3-bet if raised, that the "free card" play be abandoned?

[bernie]

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First...realize that when a player you describe bets into 6 opponents your flop raise is getting 3-bet almost always. So there's not as much value as it seems at first...and the only way you're getting a "free card" is by capping and even then not always

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Depends on the board as to what the guy is betting into the field with. A 2-tone board could easily be a draw. This being a rainbow board, it can be more likely he has a hand at this point. Or a better draw than yours.

However, when he bets and there are 3 callers to you, it's still a pretty easy raise.

b

[chief444]

Bernie,

Even a draw is a draw like AK + flush or AJ + flush which also very well may 3-bet in this pot. So there really isn't as much value as it appears...that is...5-handed OESD. Not to mention a K will occasionally give him a second best hand and almost always be subject to redraws. I'm not saying it's really a bad raise. But I was just pointing out that the flop result of the raise will be a typical flop result...being BB 3-bets and 3 or maybe 4 if he's lucky see the turn. Plus...if it is a two toned board...that certainly doesn't help his equity. I don't think it's an easy raise. Not at all considering the benefit of a free card is almost never there. Not really bad but certainly not easy and I'd just call personally.

Chief

If you are going to veen consider putting money into this pot a three bet is far superior to a cold call. You would be cold calling for at best half the pot and this at least gives you a shot at the whole thing. I still wouldnt put any money in though.

[sfer]

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If you are going to veen consider putting money into this pot a three bet is far superior to a cold call. You would be cold calling for at best half the pot and this at least gives you a shot at the whole thing. I still wouldnt put any money in though.

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Yes, 3-betting intending to fold to a 4-bet is a terrific idea where people are much too passive on the river.

Thank you all for the advices. Three betting here never crossed my mind, I believe it to be too aggressive and a nine surely will call most of the time.

The other thing that gave me a glimpse of hope into calling was the fact that BB was running bad and slightly tilting, only slightly though.

On the other hand he showed such a strength of a AA or KK. I dont think he will three bet flop with AK. Most likely aces.

The UTG +1 seem to be on a draw and could easily play AJ or A10 the same way.

Anyway what happened was that BB showed KK (set of kings) and folded as UTG +1 showed the same hand as mine.