SSHE applicable to my games?

Live B&M games at 3/6 or 5/10. Most games are Tight-Passive. Rarely many people seeing the flop. No wild stuff. No aggression whatsoever.

Would SSHE still fit well into those types of games? These guys know how to play pretty well and will not call you down with bottom pair or any other questionable hand.

SSHE still worth while?

I have already read GSIH and WLLH

[chson]

No. Middle Limit Hold'em is a better book for Tight+Passive games.

[amulet]

it is a terric book. yes it will help your game.

i find a lot of the posted question on books strange. i read all decent poker books, and if they are good i reread them. if you get just 1 or 2 things out of a book, it is worth it. if it makes you think it is worth it. in this case you are discussing a truly superior book - read it.

[steamboatin]

My rule of thumb is; six or more players seeing the flop =SSH. Less than six players to the flop=HPFAP or middle limit holdem.

The limits don't matter, its the game texture. Losse games SH, tight games HPFAP or middle limit holdem.

[Luv2DriveTT]

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No. Middle Limit Hold'em is a better book for Tight+Passive games.

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WRONG....

SHHE is ideal for passive games of any type. If you read the book carefully (it escaped me the first time I read it as well) there are examples across the board from 2-3 players to the flop with a LAG, to 7 players limping in. As long as the majority of opponents are passive, there are recommendations that can be applied towards your game.

PS: If Clarkmeister says his regular middle limit games at the Mirage at perfect SSHE material, then your smaller 5/10 games must be as well don't you think?

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[chson]

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No. Middle Limit Hold'em is a better book for Tight+Passive games.

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WRONG....

SHHE is ideal for passive games of any type. If you read the book carefully (it escaped me the first time I read it as well) there are examples across the board from 2-3 players to the flop with a LAG, to 7 players limping in. As long as the majority of opponents are passive, there are recommendations that can be applied towards your game.

PS: If Clarkmeister says his regular middle limit games at the Mirage at perfect SSHE material, then your smaller 5/10 games must be as well don't you think?

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SSHE tactics rely primarily on large pots which do not occur very often in tight and passive games. The emphasis on value betting marginal hands and folding in small pots would result in you becoming a break-even player at best. Your opponents at these games are no longer "unsophisticated" so many other SSHE concepts need to be thrown out the window.

[Luv2DriveTT]

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SSHE tactics rely primarily on large pots which do not occur very often in tight and passive games. The emphasis on value betting marginal hands and folding in small pots would result in you becoming a break-even player at best. Your opponents at these games are no longer "unsophisticated" so many other SSHE concepts need to be thrown out the window.

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SSHE is a compilation of existing concepts from other 2+2 books brilliantly executed by Ed Miller, applied to low limits games which are generally loose with players that play poorly post flop. SSHE is just better written and compiled, making the concepts easier to grasp than the essay like format of HPFAP.

There are many examples in SSHE that use small pots, it teaches the player to know when to push small edges when he or she has the odds to do so, or play more conservatively because the pot size, position, opponent, etc may not be ideal vs the odds the pot is laying the hero.

Where you are blatantly wrong however is in value betting marginal hands. The games may be tighter, but that doesn't mean the opponents are more sophisticated. SSHE teaches the reader when it is safe to value bet the river, and when it is best to check, with consideration of the type of player the hero's opponent is as well as the possible hands the opponent may hold. I can honestly say I have never read a better river chapter than SSHE, it covers it all soup to nuts (ok, King Yao's river chapter is quite good as well, but SSHE was out first [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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[BarronVangorToth]

SSH is perfect up through at least the $20-$40 level in any live casino. SOME $20-$40 games you will need a lot of Hold 'em Poker for Advanced Players as well.

I have not seen a casino in America that has a $3-$6 through $10-$20 game where you can't use SSH as your guide.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

I'd try to find a game that's a bit looser. I find tight-passive games so booooring- and a bit less profitable than loose-passive games.

[Jeff W]

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My rule of thumb is; six or more players seeing the flop =SSH. Less than six players to the flop=HPFAP or middle limit holdem.

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That rule of thumb sucks.