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Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
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IMO, you really don't need to get this fancy at a 22. [/ QUOTE ] I don't really see a stop'n'go as a particularly fancy play. It is simple math. The flop will miss him 2/3 of the time. Although I prefer to do it if someone limps instead minraises/standardraises. More chance he likes his hand as it is when he raises. And since the standardplay when someone limps with blinds like this is to push, I don't use the stop'n'go all that often. Nor do I think one should. |
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Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
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45, let me ask you this as a side question. Would you like this play if there were 4 people left and he was the small stack facing an equal chip differential between him and his opponent in the hand? Just curious. Peace. [/ QUOTE ] So many of these posts are read dependent. I fairly confidently called a guy down yesterday with K high and had him beat because he was such a bluffer. His betting pattern made me fairly certain that he didn't have anything, but I didn't want to raise and make the pot bigger just in case. To answer your question, I'd have to see the actual chip stacks I guess. If he still had as many BBs left as the OP in this hand, no, I would just fold and steal when I got the chance. A play that I will make (rarely) is take the worst of a situation by re-raising all in or calling all-in (with high blinds) from the SB or button after an aggressive big stack raiser raises from EP. If I have cards that will play well (not be dominated) by a normal raising range like two big cards, I will make an isolation raise in order to get heads up. I do this rarely but it comes up when you're just languishing and getting blinded down. The bigstack has actually done me a favor by raising initially because he is scaring the blinds (who have to have a fairly comfortable chip position in order for me to do this). Once the blinds are added in to the equation, I feel like it's my chance to get right back into the game by taking the worst of a 40:60 flip. Again, I don't even do this very often. I think that I have done 2 or 3 stop-n-gos in over 2000 SNGs. I'm not saying it's wrong, just not my style at all. |
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Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
Against a chronic min-raiser with this chipstack ITM this is defintely the best play from my experience. I am not willing to give up my blinds to a player like this. As Freudian said, he misses the flop 2/3 of the time and it is tough for some players to call with bottom pair. Normal players at the $22s don't think about pot odds and the possibilities of MY hand. They think about THEIR hand ("damn I only have A high, I can't call" type thing).
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Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
Your OP didn't say anything about villain being a chronic mini-raiser.
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Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
Is the "everyone misses a flop" 66% of the time actually correct ? A quick assessment of the situation points to that likely being the chance that they have a pair on the flop. Are the chances that they have a good draw on the flop worth considering ? Straight draws and flush draws, overcards.
I think we agree that a stop-and-go fails at least %33 of the time. I think the failure rate is slightly larger than that. .... opinions ? -- tjh |
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Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
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Is the "everyone misses a flop" 66% of the time actually correct ? A quick assessment of the situation points to that likely being the chance that they have a pair on the flop. Are the chances that they have a good draw on the flop worth considering ? Straight draws and flush draws, overcards. I think we agree that a stop-and-go fails at least %33 of the time. I think the failure rate is slightly larger than that. .... opinions ? -- tjh [/ QUOTE ] Draws are worth considering but the only thing I am worried about is the A high flush draw, otherwise I will have the best hand. You make a pair roughly 33% of the time. |
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