Folding TPTK

PokerBob · #1 05-04-2005, 12:18 AM

Both villains here have VPIP's over 30, and ag's under 1.8. 3-bettor's PFR is 10%. Who loves? Who hates?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 3-bets, 5 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 3-bets, BB folds, Hero folds,

GMan42 · #2 05-04-2005, 12:29 AM

You're getting 9:1 on the call, so you'd be OK if you thought your A and T outs are good. However, MP1 may well have two of your outs in his hand, and if you're against a set (more likely from UTG+1 than MP1) you're damn near drawing dead. Good fold.

imported_leader · #3 05-04-2005, 12:32 AM

I don't like your PFR here. Anyway, I think C/R would be a better flop option. The way you played it I think it is hard to see a call. If you think he would play an AK or AQ this way, I would call and see what UTG+1 does. If he caps, easy turn fold UI, IMO.

uw_madtown · #4 05-04-2005, 05:49 AM

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I don't like your PFR here. Anyway, I think C/R would be a better flop option. The way you played it I think it is hard to see a call. If you think he would play an AK or AQ this way, I would call and see what UTG+1 does. If he caps, easy turn fold UI, IMO.

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Agree with every single thing you said, although I'm not really feeling the "call and see if he caps" thing. That's probably what I'd do, but it feels icky.

Kristian · #5 05-04-2005, 06:12 AM

Newbie trying to learn and wondering: Is raising ATo UTG a good move at 3/6?

Yobz · #6 05-04-2005, 06:23 AM

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Newbie trying to learn and wondering: Is raising ATo UTG a good move at 3/6?

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I usually fold this, but my vpip is 17-18% and some people here have 20-22% and win more than me....

Evan · #7 05-04-2005, 06:38 AM

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my vpip is 17-18% and some people here have 20-22% and win more than me

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This difference will almsot always be comprised of hands played in late position or in blind defense.

FWIW, I would fold preflop.

jskills · #8 05-04-2005, 09:43 AM

Fold preflop?

toss · #9 05-04-2005, 09:47 AM

Would you fold the flop too?

Bob T. · #10 05-04-2005, 10:03 AM

If some hands are being decided preflop, I don't have a problem with your preflop raise. If we always see a flop, I think folding here is better.

I think your line of betting out, and then folding is probably best here, you got the information you wanted as cheaply as possible, and then acted on it. If you check, you might not be as certain about your read if it was one or two bets back to you.