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Turn Raise
MP1 is very loose passive. BB looks like a standard unimaginitive tag.
Party Poker (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls. Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls. Turn: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font> |
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Re: Turn Raise
Looks fine against alot of unimaginitive tags.
IŽd check-call the river if BB folds. If he calls, then you are in a tough spot. |
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Re: Turn Raise
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Looks fine against alot of unimaginitive tags. IŽd check-call the river if BB folds. If he calls, then you are in a tough spot. [/ QUOTE ] I think I could just check/fold the river if BB calls. It will nearly always means he has KK-JJ and sniffed me out or Axs in hearts. KQs/QJs in hearts also fit, and I guess it's also slightly possible for him to have QTs/JTs/T9s) but he certainly wouldn't bet any of these worse/splitting hands on the riv after I check again. If BB folds I'm not sure I understand the case for a check/call. MP is loose passive and can still have a lot of weaker pairs even after the turn raise. I think I'll be better off value betting than looking to pick off an unlikely bluff. |
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Re: Turn Raise
one thing to think about in these situations is to call the flop and then think about a c/r on the turn. You get more information with the card that comes, AND the action with 2 others in the pot.
kind of a part ed miller wait for bigger equity later, combined with whatevr... |
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Re: Turn Raise
Stox, with such a vulnerable hand on a flop like that it doesnt make sense to wait until the turn to throw in a raise. The flop has 2 hearts and many gut shot possibilities. Also any A or K could ruin your hand, so i'd say raise sooner rather than later to charge the fish bets. The Tag will fold a worse hand no question on the turn to a C/R and call you down with a better or 3 bet you with a monster.
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Re: Turn Raise
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Stox, with such a vulnerable hand... [/ QUOTE ] This doesn't seem consistent with this: [ QUOTE ] i'd say raise sooner rather than later to charge the fish bets. [/ QUOTE ] He's not c/r'ing for protection, as the first quote seems to advocate. Its for value. |
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Re: Turn Raise
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He's not c/r'ing for protection, as the first quote seems to advocate. Its for value. [/ QUOTE ] Eh, check raising the flop can be for value and fold better hands or overcards/5 outers at the same time. It can have a dual purpose. |
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Re: Turn Raise
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one thing to think about in these situations is to call the flop and then think about a c/r on the turn. You get more information with the card that comes, AND the action with 2 others in the pot. kind of a part ed miller wait for bigger equity later, combined with whatevr... [/ QUOTE ] This is an interesting idea but don't I risk him checking overcards on the turn too often when I try to do this? It seems like risking a free card could be a pretty harmful prospect. |
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Re: Turn Raise
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one thing to think about in these situations is to call the flop and then think about a c/r on the turn. You get more information with the card that comes, AND the action with 2 others in the pot. [/ QUOTE ] In this situation, the key is the information he gained on the flop. BB's flop 3-bet tilts his range of hands away from the ace, which is what makes the turn play good. If Dane had check-called the flop, BB's possible hands with aces would still be very much a part of his range. |
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Re: Turn Raise
Wow thats real fancy for me, but it makes sense. Even if you lose to the loose passive guy more than half the time its still EV++ since this should fold the TAG very often here. Poor TAG.
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