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11-30-2005, 10:00 PM
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20-40 while racking up
20-40 Bay101
I just got called from a must move game to the main game. I hadn't been out of line in a fairly out of line game, but most players were new to the game in the last 30-45 min. The SB in this hand and I had been joking about defending blinds (i'm in the BB, he's in the CO and he's about to raise and I blurt out "ah ah ahhhhh" he raises, I call w/ some garbage connector and check fold on a broadway board. I raise his blind and he donkbets me and I fold w/ JTs on K high board. He raises my blind and I call w/ 76s and flop is 97x I check raise, he calls and I bet a 4 on the turn and he folds. That's our history. The only other hand of note was where I openraised from MP w/ AQ and Chuck Thompson (pro) called right behind me and villian called from button. I bet a 744 flop, two calls. I bet the K on the turn, CT raised, we both folded after I correctly called out his exact hand (77, he showed). So, I get red AA in MP right as I'm beginning to rack up to go to the main game, I raise an EP limper. LP calls, villian in SB calls. Flop is 235r and I bet out saying, "I bet my st8 draw", only SB calls. Turn pairs the 3 and SB checkraises me. 3-bet or call down? 
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#2
11-30-2005, 10:34 PM
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Re: 20-40 while racking up
call down
WA/WB -ZEN
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#5
12-01-2005, 08:41 AM
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Re: 20-40 while racking up
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[ QUOTE ] Call and raise the river. [/ QUOTE ] Would you explain this line, please? Any particular river that makes you change your plan? [/ QUOTE ] With a gutshot, you have to call a turn 4-bet, but it would suck.
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#6
12-01-2005, 10:16 AM
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Re: 20-40 while racking up
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Call and raise the river. [/ QUOTE ] Would you explain this line, please? Any particular river that makes you change your plan? [/ QUOTE ] With a gutshot, you have to call a turn 4-bet, but it would suck. [/ QUOTE ] Do you think this concept applies to a hand like this ?
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#7
12-01-2005, 10:33 AM
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Re: 20-40 while racking up
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Call and raise the river. [/ QUOTE ] Would you explain this line, please? Any particular river that makes you change your plan? [/ QUOTE ] With a gutshot, you have to call a turn 4-bet, but it would suck. [/ QUOTE ] Do you think this concept applies to a hand like this ? [/ QUOTE ] The turn card in that hand is draw completing, and that's a pretty straightforward fold to a 4-bet, unlike this hand, so no.
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#8
11-30-2005, 11:22 PM
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Re: 20-40 while racking up
Soss,
SB probably doesn't have a 3 vs pf raiser in a protected pot. You are most likely against a smaller pocket pair. I like reraising the turn rather than waiting for the river since an overcard could induce him to check, and he may have 44 or 66 with straight outs that need to be charged. I guess I would fold to a 4 bet but I never seem to do that in the heat of battle...
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#9
12-01-2005, 12:37 AM
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Re: 20-40 while racking up
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Call and raise the river. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. You don't want him to stop bluffing or think that maybe 88 or whatever might not be good.
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#10
12-01-2005, 12:43 AM
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Re: 20-40 while racking up
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[ QUOTE ] Call and raise the river. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. You don't want him to stop bluffing or think that maybe 88 or whatever might not be good. [/ QUOTE ] I think many would call down with 88 here, and we win the same. This compared to the fact that some rivers will scare him into c/cing and we miss our value now. I think a hand like that is much more frequent than a pure bluff. This is why I asked sfer about his line. I've been experimenting with it for about a month now, and have noticed that many times villain does get passive on the river.
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