blackjack question

ineedmoneybad · #1 08-20-2004, 10:21 PM

In vegas blackjack are the players cards dealt face up or face down? If it varies from place to place whats the average for a double deck game?
Thanks

cardcounter0 · #2 08-20-2004, 10:51 PM

Double Deck is usually dealt face down.

vulturesrow · #3 08-20-2004, 11:28 PM

Well since we butt heads so much in another certain forum, lets have a good discussion here [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Do you still play on a regular basis? What sort of count do you use?

ineedmoneybad · #4 08-20-2004, 11:32 PM

what about single and six deck games?
thanks

cardcounter0 · #5 08-21-2004, 01:26 AM

I don't play now as much as I used to since I played full time for a year or two. I guess I play bi-monthly now.
I use a modified HiLo, 2s and 7s as 1/2, 3-6 +1, Tens and Aces -1. In single and double deck I also keep a seperate ace side count. I use about 40 indices for playing deviations to basic strategy.

cardcounter0 · #6 08-21-2004, 01:30 AM

6 deck games are dealt from a shoe, and I have never seen it anything but dealt face up.

Single deck is dealt face down, only vary rarely would you see it dealt face up.

charlie_t_jr · #7 08-22-2004, 09:57 AM

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I don't play now as much as I used to since I played full time for a year or two. I guess I play bi-monthly now.
I use a modified HiLo, 2s and 7s as 1/2, 3-6 +1, Tens and Aces -1. In single and double deck I also keep a seperate ace side count. I use about 40 indices for playing deviations to basic strategy.

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What kind of improvements does changing the tags of the 2's and 7's give you, over regular hi/lo?

40 indices? Wow...that's pretty stout.

I'll meekly [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] say that I use KO with most of the illustrious 18. Side count of Aces for insurance in the SD game.

cardcounter0 · #8 08-23-2004, 09:54 AM

counting two and sevens as 1/2 is a slight slight improvement to BE, neutral to the IC, but gives about a 10% boost to PE.

Adds power to the 13 vs 2, 13 vs 3, and 12 vs 4 indexes, and adds a 14 vs 2 index which doesn't exist in HiLo.

The ace side count helps with Insurance, betting, and the doubling indexes 10 vs T, 10 vs 11, 9 vs 2, 9 vs 7, 8 vs 5, 8 vs 6.

Daliman · #9 08-23-2004, 04:02 PM

said a bit more simply, it probably adds about .1% to his edge and reduces his risk of ruin 2-3%

charlie_t_jr · #10 08-23-2004, 04:46 PM

Actually, I was quite interested in the playing and betting efficiency.